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    Jojokomoko's Avatar
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    Kai Rangriz
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    Tonberry
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Defiance effect has been merged with Thrill of battle instead

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    Izsha Azel
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    Exodus
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Defiance was merged into 20% dr as was all tank stances. ToB just absorbed convalescence.

    Honestly, just for flavors sake i wish they had baked in the 20%dr to drk/pld and 25% hp and 25% healing to warrior as they are functionally identical. Even more so since they have retooled healing ogcd actions to scale with %healing buffs truly making a 25% hp/heal identical to 20% dr.

    Its a missed opportunity for a rare case where there is no conflict between job flavor/identity and balance. Its a simple feature to include that adds to the class fantasy with zero balance repurcussions. Shame really.
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    Dugu Qiubai
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    Midgardsormr
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cirdan-Faust View Post
    So with Defiance changed to not give bonus HP does WAR get a trait to still boost HP? Media tour videos show WAR with same HP as others as far as I can see.
    No only that, Defiance no longer gives bonus Parry based on gauge level. Deliverance no longer exists, so the bonus Crit based on gauge level is also gone.
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    Kai Rangriz
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    No only that, Defiance no longer gives bonus Parry based on gauge level. Deliverance no longer exists, so the bonus Crit based on gauge level is also gone.
    Did they really state that those bonuses are gone in ShB? Considered we still got the beast gauge, we don't really know how it works yet.
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojokomoko View Post
    Did they really state that those bonuses are gone in ShB? Considered we still got the beast gauge, we don't really know how it works yet.
    except the toolkit misses that detail the crit/parry bonus from you gauge it's removed yeah.
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Moogle
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    No only that, Defiance no longer gives bonus Parry based on gauge level. Deliverance no longer exists, so the bonus Crit based on gauge level is also gone.
    I believe this has been removed since SB. This thing only existed back when we had stacks instead of gauges.
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    Kalise Relanah
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Freyyy View Post
    I believe this has been removed since SB. This thing only existed back when we had stacks instead of gauges.
    No. It's literally in the game right now.
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    No. It's literally in the game right now.
    Okay I don't know why I was pretty sure that this was removed.
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    Ceciliantas Dragorath
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    Malboro
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    This is nice. In my static ill be MT as paladin, and my OT is a War!

    All is as it should be again. What a wonderful world!
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    K'rheya Tia
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    Odin
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Drayce1 View Post
    This is nice. In my static ill be MT as paladin, and my OT is a War!

    All is as it should be again. What a wonderful world!
    Except Thrill, free Equilibrium and especially Holmgang, still put WAR leagues above PLD in terms of MTing, while PLD still has way better OT options. You do you though.

    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    except the toolkit misses that detail the crit/parry bonus from you gauge it's removed yeah.
    Have we actually seen the new Beast Gauge guide thing though? If crit bonus is just baked into gauge regardless of stance now, then it'd be natural to remove mention of it from Defiance tooltip, especially since gauge is no longer linked to stance i any way.
    Not saying it's still there, but I'd really like to see a ui confirmation, before I jump the gun on that and it seems none of the media-tour guests actually screenshotted it.
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    Last edited by Satarn; 06-10-2019 at 07:33 AM.

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