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    MirielleLavandre's Avatar
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    Gabrielle Beausejour
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    Halicarnassus
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    Paladin Lv 100

    Will dancer become a 'required' job?

    Just speaking for some of the harder trials and/or raids, but after seeing one of the 'support abilities' spreadsheets the fine folks over on the Balance were making (based, of course, on data that could but most likely won't change), it seems SE has made dancer into the only true 'buffer'. Yoshi-P pretty much said this directly in his Famitsu interview.

    I thought that 5.0 was attempting to decrease the 'synergies' between jobs, and yet dancer seems to be synergistic with everything. Thoughts?

    **Link is not my work at all and just taken from the reddit thread u/Jahaudant posted that will be updated soon, it seems**

    https://i.imgur.com/pJ8k7B8.png
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    Ven Black
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Probably

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    Draelon Eldad
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 91
    I don't think anyone can say for sure, without seeing how it plays out. But there is a very good chance that it will be a part of the meta. The same meta that square enix was trying to eliminate or even out.
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    Nephie Elz
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    Archer Lv 90
    It really just depends on if the single target buff affects raid dps and just how much the healing abilities will be needed to deal with in coming damage
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Adamantoise
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    Blacksmith Lv 90
    Only time will tell. It depends on how good or how bad their actually DPS is.

    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    This is inaccurate and seems designs to show all DNC utility but not the other jobs. For example you have Curing Waltz but don't have Everlasting Flight or Verraise/Vercure.
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    Ayis Luola
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    Cerberus
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    Bard Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Only time will tell. It depends on how good or how bad their actually DPS is.

    This is inaccurate and seems designs to show all DNC utility but not the other jobs. For example you have Curing Waltz but don't have Everlasting Flight or Verraise/Vercure.
    also missing the regen on SCH's new Sacred soil
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    Typical Karen
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    Exodus
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    Pugilist Lv 62
    5.0 is only attempting to reduce synergies between specific jobs (i.e. Bringing a DRG because their piercing debuff increases damage for your bard)
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    Kalise Relanah
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    It depends on exactly how much personal DPS they bring.

    If their DPS is too low that even with a MNK/SAM/BLM to partner with to maximize their 5% damage buff and to toss crits onto they're not particularly notable in tDPS then they won't be meta because it won't be often that you'll get to have good MNK/SAM/BLM players and then be underpowered the rest of the time.

    If their DPS is too high and thus they become really good tDPS when they can buff a MNK/SAM/BLM then they'll be meta. Along with NIN whom still has Trick Attack.

    But we'll have to see after we get to test out all the new DPS levels of jobs.

    If DPS levels stay relatively similar, then I'd expect the new meta to be: MNK/DNC/NIN/SMN

    Since if Monk and Dancer will want to exist together. If one of them is used, the other is desired. Since Saber Dance is insane for giving Monk crits to generate Chakra (Basically, making up for their loss of Internal Release).

    Trick Attack Ninja will probably always remain desired because 10% vulnerability is a very big rDPS boost and is literally going to be THE major thing that all burst phases are timed around.

    Finally, Summoner seems like a decent choice for the last spot because it currently has good DPS that isn't too far from the top and will be bringing Devotion for 5% AoE damage buff. As well as having Raise. With possibly Red Mage being used during progression for VerRaise spam.
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    Markov Dracul
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 100
    DNC gives it's self and a partner a 5% damage buff that you can basically keep going the entire fight but you need to use Standard Step at the minimum of once per min. Which means DNCs personal DPS will probably be lower. Also you can't attack while Dancing. Their party buff is... 5% fo 15s if I remember right but that's on a 2 min timer and again you can't attack while doing this much longer step. Saber Dance is 30% crit and d.hit but only for 15s and every 2mins and only on the DNC and their partner. And that's only a chance to crit. Doesn't mean you will. Curing Waltz isn't going to save the party if the healer dies like RDM can. Shield Samaba does the same thing a BRD and MCH can and again that's probably not going to save you. Also no one knows if you can change dance partners and your first dance partner keep the buffs you gave them yet. Which I doubt. I'm willing to bet if you switch partners your first partner will loose those buffs. So.. who knows? (I'm betting Saber Dance ends up only being 10% or 15% on release anyway.)
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Depends on their personal dps. The support + their own dps has to be greater than adding a balm or Sam to the party
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