The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[Shurrikhan]

DPS and healer players often have these lofty expectations of tanks the moment they pop into the instance. They expect to be grouped with the god-gifted tank who knows every mob down to a T and has perfect placement.

The sad thing is when you are that tank and, mid-sprint, will mention list your pull sizes and when to hold Diversion so you can drop tank stance throughout the AoE pull, can remind other players of their utilities (Goad, Mana Shift) per their CD, but only then players start thinking "Well, this is so fast now, if I pulled even more mobs this would go even faster!" despite that there is in fact a net speed loss when including the two extra mobs they pulled when you specifically said not to while sprinting up to the first...

It's weird how some DPS and Healers can so well understand optimal pacing and know how to pull, or at least respond to target marks to pull on the tank's silent command, to best achieve that while others assume that in all cases bigger is better (even when, say, you'd still need two pulls to reach the boss regardless and splitting it the other way simply gets DPS one-shot by instant-cleaves). Heck, there are some that still don't seem to understand that tank stance is virtually worthless in single-target in the face of Excog, especially when Shelltron or TBN and at least Rampart is already being used on every tankbuster, or that it costs GCDs to, say, swap between Oaths meaning that if you decide to continue to focus target a single mob in 5+mob AoE after pulling, rescue's going to be few GCDs away unless you come into Cover distance.

DPS: "Gotta go fast." "Why you in Shield Oath, bra?" *After pulling from not following listed target order, which already accounted for DoT efficiency* "I don't want to be that guy, but maybe you should be in Shield Oath?"

I say all this, but even then most of my non-tank pullers are in fact fully competent. It's just that they seemed comprised on one part <people who actually know what they're doing, including tracking their party's CDs> and one part <'faster is always better' bro-scientists>, and the difference, when it shows, can be a bit unnerving. So when you get four near-perfect speedruns via the former only to run into a miserably slow attempted speedrun with the latter, it wears on you.

[linay]

You lead the charge

And part of that is determining how far you push on that charge.

[miraidensetsu]

Reading a few reddit posts, and also having some discussions with FC mates who pull for 'slow tanks', is there really an 'unwritten rule' that only tanks pull? My main in SB was PLD (before using WHM to help friends), and I always have pulled wall to wall or at least until I got gated out. However, with Gunbreaker coming soon, I think that there will be a lot of new or newer tanks who may not be as comfortable with huge pulls.

I'm ok with tank pulling small. But I'm not OK with DPS pulling for the tank. I just let him take care of his own HP. If he dies, oh, well (and normally the tank with me shirks that DPS).

[oumura]

i am a man of class. if you want to go ahead and pull for me. you can also tank it. ill also tell the healer that a man with such spirit does not need heals for he is a man over all men and heals are just an insult to his manhood. but really ill tell em to stop. if they dont ill just request a kick since they are being disruptive to the run.

[Wynn_Storm]

I personally don't like when tanks pull small whether i'm dps or healing. It just takes longer overall and i feel like its more work.

Big pulls feel easier because everyone can let loose their resources without holding back.

I can understand small pulls in certain dungeons like leveling dungeons.

Like the leveling dungeons between 61-70 can hit pretty hard. I sometimes pull small on those, you just kind of have to know your limit as a tank, same with being a healer.

[Rivxkobe]

There really are people who put tanking on a pedestal....

I for the life of me can't see why. When I main tanked I found it pretty boring actually. War was fun though.

I feel as though tanks should serve the group, not lead it. The tank should be obliging the group, not the group obliging the tank. People's mentality seems backwards. You lead the charge, not the group. If you think you lead the group because you're a tank, you have no idea what leading actually is.

If the Tank can't keep enmity on large amounts of mobs then what's the point of pulling more than they can handle?

[Seraphor]

When I'm tanking, I'm generally not bothered. If someone else pulls something I'll grab it as soon as I'm able, and whatever damage they sustained in the meantime was their calculated risk, they're not likely to die from it.
If however, it's apparent that they're not being very smart about it, or plain trolling, because the healer can't keep up with the damage or something, then after a few miss-pulls I'll just let them tank it and see if they learn.

[Kathryn]

I'm the kind of tank that loves to pull big when I know I can rely on my healer but on my first run of a dungeon I like to gaige the pulls slowly so I can get a foreshadow of the dungeon for future runs, I absolutely hate it when DPS pull if they pull I leave them to die if my speed is not good enough for them they are more than welcome to find another run and reque generally if they pull I tell my husband not to heal them and let them learn their lesson.

One of the things I am thankful for is going to be these npc runs we can do for our first runs in ShB that will help me learn the mechanics so I can pull people through faster and I'm excitingly looking forward to it, I will still do Roulette runs as a tank but I'll always look to fill my group with friends and fc members before random runs as they seem to carry the most toxic people sometimes.

[Derio]

Often I will pull a small mob first to test the dps. If the dps cannot burn fast enough, there is no purpose to do large pulls.

[FFgame]

No, you will pull everything up to the trash wall, or I'm going to afk till i get teleported to the first boss room on engage.