The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[van_arn]

See in democratic system, a bad agent usually is punished by the group for not working together as intended.

There are zero repercussions as a tank, kick me? Fine I re que instantly with little to no loss, i still get my bonus and i am more likely to play with adults than children.

I'm saying that's perfectly fine; the goal is to merely get rid of the person that got voted out. You're someone else's problem at that point.

[Mistyregions]

I'm saying that's perfectly fine; the goal is to merely get rid of the person that got voted out. You're someone else's problem at that point.

You are missing the point of the ability to kick, thus you are abusing it in a childish manner.

You are supposed to kick bad actors because it's a negative gain, griefing, abusive behavior, offline, etc. It by in all rights is supposed to be a punishment, that's a core tenant of democracy, this is not the case with the current system. Its is a meritocracy and thus tanks suffer no ill consequences.

Kicking a tank, playing the game as intended under the orginal design is not a net loss to the tank at all, it's a net loss to yourself and the other players. You must wait for another tank, by the time that's happened you could have been done. Meanwhile the other tank you kicked is probably half way through the new dungeon they re q into. Thus it's ethire a zero gain/ zero loss or positive gain because overall they spent less time for the same rewards you receive plus not having to play outside of their box, and most importantly not playing with people who push expectations on a role, instead of doing it themselves like an adult.

I'm sure you are going to strawman my comment by only quoting a specific phrase I mentioned because a constructively conservative is lost upon you.

[van_arn]

You are missing the point of the ability to kick, thus you are abusing it in a childish manner.

You are supposed to kick bad actors because it's a negative gain, griefing, abusive behavior, offline, etc. It by in all rights is supposed to be a punishment, that's a core tenant of democracy, this is not the case with the current system. Its is a meritocracy and thus tanks suffer no ill consequences.

Kicking a tank, playing the game as intended under the orginal design is not a net loss to the tank at all, it's a net loss to yourself and the other players. You must wait for another tank, by the time that's happened you could have been done. Meanwhile the other tank you kicked is probably half way through the new dungeon they re q into. Thus it's ethire a zero gain/ zero loss or positive gain because overall they spent less time for the same rewards you receive plus not having to play outside of their box, and most importantly not playing with people who push expectations on a role, instead of doing it themselves like an adult.

I'm sure you are going to strawman my comment by only quoting a specific phrase I mentioned because a constructively conservative is lost upon you.

What's childish is expecting a party to put up with you when they don't like you.

Kicks are there to resolve disputes before they happen. If you're playing in a way that removes you from your party's good graces, you're going to get kicked. This is intentional.

You're also overestimating the amount of time it takes to replace a tank, not to mention how much happier the party that you were kicked from is when you're removed. If there is a penalty to time -- which isn't always, thanks to healers being able to take your job -- it is gladly paid to get rid of the player who has left the party's good graces.

And honestly? If you're in a situation where you're replacing a terrible tank you'll probably make that time back with the replacement's inevitably increased pace.

[MirielleLavandre]

If there is a penalty to time -- which isn't always, thanks to healers being able to take your job -- it is gladly paid to get rid of the player who has left the party's good graces.

See this right here is what I mean... can a healer take the tanks job in the most current expert dungeon -- please show me ^^ I will gladly admit that I'm in the wrong when I see a party of 3 dps and 1 healer (preferably you or Healer Adjust) complete Ghimlyt Dark in under 30 minutes. Again, this is twice the amount of time it would take with a decent tank, assuming it can be done at all. Of course, if you're @ 410 that is already +50 ilvl over the minimum...not being adversarial, but just genuinely curious if it can be done.

[Mistyregions]

What's childish is expecting a party to put up with you when they don't like you.

Kicks are there to resolve disputes before they happen. If you're playing in a way that removes you from your party's good graces, you're going to get kicked. This is intentional.

You're also overestimating the amount of time it takes to replace a tank, not to mention how much happier the party that you were kicked from is when you're removed. If there is a penalty to time -- which isn't always, thanks to healers being able to take your job -- it is gladly paid to get rid of the player who has left the party's good graces.

And honestly? If you're in a situation where you're replacing a terrible tank you'll probably make that time back with the replacement's inevitably increased pace.

Are this is the disconnect, I don't expect anyone to play with me if they dont like me, I agree.

Not liking me because I play how the game is intended or not the way YOU want me to play is childish and is something I only see in daycare and preschool.

Even middle schoolers grow out of that phase.