The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[Awha]

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

Maybe I simply do not know the meaning of being a team player but to me being a team player is working with the overall group. Just because someone is new that does not give them a free pass, if the group simply does not want to deal with a new player they are free to try and remove said player. Sure it is a dick move, but no one is obligated to teach or hold anothers hand through content.

I think they are being a team player, expecting certain concessions to be made because they are new to me is not being a team player. While I have not been forcibly kicked as a tank for being new I have been asked by a group if it would be okay if they removed me since they saw I was not very comfortable with larger pulls when I started. I simply left and apologized for holding them back. Willfully holding a group of strangers back either because one does not feel comfortable or lacks the experience since like a messed up thing to do. In my eyes that is.

[SoulEchelon]

Maybe I simply do not know the meaning of being a team player but to me being a team player is working with the overall group. Just because someone is new that does not give them a free pass, if the group simply does not want to deal with a new player they are free to try and remove said player. Sure it is a dick move, but no one is obligated to teach or hold anothers hand through content.

I think they are being a team player, expecting certain concessions to be made because they are new to me is not being a team player. While I have not been forcibly kicked as a tank for being new I have been asked by a group if it would be okay if they removed me since they saw I was not very comfortable with larger pulls when I started. I simply left and apologized for holding them back. Willfully holding a group of strangers back either because one does not feel comfortable or lacks the experience since like a messed up thing to do. In my eyes that is.

Rescuing a struggling team member no matter who they are into a mob of enemies is trolling and not being a team player. End of story.

[Awha]

Rescuing a struggling team member no matter who they are into a mob of enemies is trolling and not being a team player. End of story.

Rescuing a struggling team member can also be seen as a means of encouraging the person that is lagging behind. It is all about how you choose to interpret the action. For you it may be trolling, for me I view it has the healer is telling me they have my back and go ham.

The reality is the tank has kept their gear up to date, and the group knows what their are doing then at that point it is just a matter of trusting your group. Sure people can use rescue to troll, but the action of pulling the player itself is not trolling, intent behind why their were pulled should be considered.

[van_arn]

Rescuing a struggling team member no matter who they are into a mob of enemies is trolling and not being a team player. End of story.

Pfft, it's a great way to bring awareness to the sprint button and the single button tanks need to grab threat once they're in position. Not to mention it can get tanks to ask themselves if the healer isn't afraid of getting aggro, then why is the tank afraid of their shadow?

Now, if you're pulling a black mage into an aoe that's a nasty. But pulling a non-sprinting tank into a multipull when they can clearly handle it isn't, and is one of the best ways to break their tunnelvision and teach them the pulls.

[Lynesse]

It's true that a lot of tanks can handle more than they think. It's also true that, in certain circumstances, pushing a scared tank can help them grow.

SoulEchelon is absolutely right in that this isn't the sort of behavior most of us want to default to.

If you do, then good. You care about people enough that you want them to get better, just like the rest of us.

Everyone's right in this thread. You're not arguing against each other, really, you're just pointing out that X approach is sometimes better than Y.

You're all smart people, and you all make good decisions.