The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[Hash_Browns]

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

IMO, seems like what you think is that the tank = team leader, which is not the case.

There is no I in tank, or team...

[SoulEchelon]

IMO, seems like what you think is that the tank = team leader, which is not the case.

There is no I in tank, or team...

IMO, seems like you like to assume things. The tank is supposed to lead the dungeon, yes. But it's a group effort. No one is the actual leader. The tank goes first because they're supposed to aggro everything. Stop putting words into my mouth.

Edit: You know what? I take that back. The tank IS the leader. They go in first. They initiate battle first. They dictate the run's flow. But that doesn't make them any more or less important than everyone else. And saying "there's no I in team" makes absolutely zero sense in anything that has been stated by me in this thread. All this time I've been advocating TEAM effort. TEAMwork. At this point you're just cobbling up buzzwords. A team leader works with the team. It is not all on their shoulders.

[Hash_Browns]

IMO, seems like you like to assume things. The tank is supposed to lead the dungeon, yes. But it's a group effort. No one is the actual leader. The tank goes first because they're supposed to aggro everything. Stop putting words into my mouth.

Edit: You know what? I take that back. The tank IS the leader. They go in first. They initiate battle first. They dictate the run's flow. But that doesn't make them any more or less important than everyone else. And saying "there's no I in team" makes absolutely zero sense in anything that has been stated by me in this thread. All this time I've been advocating TEAM effort. TEAMwork. At this point you're just cobbling up buzzwords. A team leader works with the team. It is not all on their shoulders.

Never put words into your mouth, said "it seems like what you think," which you then confirmed in your edit. You're taking this thread too personally. Honestly, you have come off as unnecessarily hostile through out the entire thread, and at points just down right insulting - all over the fact that I think a person who doesn't know the role they queued for should be removed from the party.

This discussion is going to go around in circles because you personally seem to see the tank and the end-all-be-all of the party.
They aren't & if more then 1 person has a problem with how the tank is tanking, then showing them the door is a fine option.

[SoulEchelon]

Never put words into your mouth.....
This discussion is going to go around in circles because you personally seem to see the tank and the end-all-be-all of the party.

And there ya go. You just did it. Again. This is why I'm taking it personally. You're putting words in my mouth and ignoring everything I've stated throughout this whole thread about how everyone is important and teamwork is needed. You're living in your own world, and only seeing words you want to see that pushes your narrative. I am officially done with you.

Also I'm starting to realize I'm being dogpiled by three people who seem to absolutely hate the tank role. Here's the thing: I main DPS. In fact, I main Dragoon. The happiest I am is when I'm with a fast tank that knows what they're doing. But unlike you all, I'm not going to force them into a situation they aren't ready for, and I'm not going to kick them for being unfamiliar with mechanics or being slower than I want them to be. Recently I've been tanking alot more due to the DK tank mounts, and I've found a whole new appreciation for them. I started out scared shitless because I was constantly worried I was doing something wrong. And I had beligerent people like you force me into unfamiliar situations and get mad when I made a mistake because of it. I almost completely quit tanking until a healer gave me a pep talk and helped me through a dungeon I wasn't used to. The DPSes were also happy to help. They gave me the confidence I needed to push past my wariness and become better.

Now I'm one of the much faster tanks. I know my limits, can grab every mob until a stopping point in every endgame dungeon, can stance dance easily during boss battles, and can keep aggro without problem. I know what to look for, know how to keep my team alive, and I don't bash anyone for making a mistake. If someone's having trouble, I HELP THEM. I show them how to do it. I WORK WITH THEM. I don't call them names. I don't force them into bad situations. I don't bitch and moan and kick them for not playing how I want them to play. But I gotta say, if I had any of you in my team, and any of you acted like how you're acting here on these forums, I'd votekick you immediately - healer or not.

I'm out. Just know your mentalities are the main reason why we don't have many tanks in the first place. Bullying them, forcing them to play your way when they're having trouble, ridiculing them and branding them "Bad" because they're slower than your ideals, literally trolling them as they're trying to do their job...Nah. I hope to never see any of you in any of my parties.