The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[Hash_Browns]

And if you don't get a new one by the time you get to a boss? Not only that, you just added yet more time to the dungeon, as you're now forced to do even smaller pulls and have even less dps going into each battle.

Kicking anyone just for not being up to your standards in speed, tank or not, is detrimental. Now if they're being blatantly bad and refusing to do mechanics, that I can agree with. But kicking shouldn't be a kneejerk thing. It should be the final resort. I never kick unless someone is being specifically interruptive, are afking, or have d/ced for a little too long.

Once again. If I don't get a new tank, we pull the boss, and I heal during the boss. At least this way I feel like an actual healer instead of a green DPS who uses cooldowns every 30-60 seconds & regen.

It's not about tank making the dungeon take less time. It's about knowing you class & not wanting to deal with lazy people.
I ain't here to carry a tank that wants to watch netflix while they tank.

If you are in +50 content, and it isn't your first time in the dungeon, you shouldn't have trouble with your class.

[Yllania]

Just because a tank is taking a little more time than you do doesn't mean they are watching netflix no matter how much you want to project that on them.

Throwing a tantrum and kicking someone just because they dont play the exact way you want to is also really dumb if youre PUGing then deal with people being different they are not bots.

[van_arn]

Just because a tank is taking a little more time than you do doesn't mean they are watching netflix no matter how much you want to project that on them.

Throwing a tantrum and kicking someone just because they dont play the exact way you want to is also really dumb if youre PUGing then deal with people being different they are not bots.

If they're bad enough to get voted off the island, it doesn't matter why they're bad. They get voted off the island.

[Hash_Browns]

Just because a tank is taking a little more time than you do doesn't mean they are watching netflix no matter how much you want to project that on them.

Throwing a tantrum and kicking someone just because they dont play the exact way you want to is also really dumb if youre PUGing then deal with people being different they are not bots.

If you get kicked, it isn't just me who wants you gone for bad play. It's at least half the party.

[Shurrikhan]

Reading a few reddit posts, and also having some discussions with FC mates who pull for 'slow tanks', is there really an 'unwritten rule' that only tanks pull? My main in SB was PLD (before using WHM to help friends), and I always have pulled wall to wall or at least until I got gated out. However, with Gunbreaker coming soon, I think that there will be a lot of new or newer tanks who may not be as comfortable with huge pulls.

I honestly never advocate anyone but the tank pulling, as they know what their own comfort level is and if they can/want to handle larger pulls. However, some also argue that if the tank is going too slow, they have the right to pull faster if everyone but the tank wants to go fast. I'm not talking about tanks who can go faster but flat out refuse even when the rest of the party wants to, but moreso the new tanks or those not yet comfortable. Is it ever okay for dps or healers to 'pull for the slow tank'?

The only real unwritten rule is "fast is good". I'll sometimes even mark targets in further packs for my Bard/MCH to pull so that they're drawn into the same AoE as I pass by where they would otherwise require me to cross about and spend time being melee'd while getting minimal threat before the next gather. As long as dps isn't being an idiot about it, there's nothing wrong with a dps pulling for you.

That said, this was a lot more common with the prevalence of things like Bishop Auto-turret, Flaming Arrow, and Shadowflare forcing the tank to sit in place for a bit. With each of their removals, reasons to dps pull have become more and more obscure, and as a tank I've gotten less benefit out of my ranged accordingly.

As for "pulling" in the sense of ripping threat? If the tank is tracking your Diversion and/or Lucid Dreaming (or Refresh/Tactician) and isn't going to give another situation in which you'd need it per their CDs... that's on you. Use your shit or, failing that, bring what you rip (from refusing to AoE or spread threat more evenly in large pulls) to the tank's AoE. If they're a PLD, be in Cover range while finally shooting something else so they don't have to swap back to tank stance just to deal with you.

[Awha]

Just because a tank is taking a little more time than you do doesn't mean they are watching netflix no matter how much you want to project that on them.

Throwing a tantrum and kicking someone just because they dont play the exact way you want to is also really dumb if youre PUGing then deal with people being different they are not bots.

A single person is not enough to remove someone, it requires two out of three remaining people to remove someone. By no means is anyone obligated to adjust to a single players desired play style, but if the group wants to do things a certain way have three choices adapt, try to remove the person unwilling to adjust or leave if it turns out your play style does not mess with your groups. Being removed is rarely personal or at the very least one should not assume removal is personal just view it as difference of play style and move on to the next group.

While it is nice to help a newer it does not mean people are obligated to help or go at their pace. Granted people rarely remove someone for being new, but even if it were to happen i do not feel the group would be in the wrong to do so. As people have said it is a group effort, if your group has certain expectations and they have the majority they are free to remove any player due to difference of play style, and that should not be taken personally.

[van_arn]

So you kick the tank and then realize no new tank will be coming any time soon. But that's okay. You're a healer. You can just leave and re-queue.

And also leave the poor two DPSes that will need to wait in queue for another 20+minutes because you had a beef with a slow tank.

There's a name for people like you. But I don't feel like getting reported for saying it. I'm just going to stop talking to you.

The heck are you talking about. A ton of healers LIVE for healtanking because it's probably the most fun thing possible in normal modes.

Getting rid of the tank actually improves the gameplay experience for those remaining. It actually makes the encounters fresh again, and I've noticed bards in particular jump at the chance to kite mobs around. As soon as that tank gets kicked all three people in the party want to show just how useless that tank was by outdoing them.

It doesn't matter if a replacement tank never shows up again. It's more fun without one. Heck, it's better if the replacement tank shows up while the gate is up so they have to watch the samurai eat a buster and survive.

Yes, it's less "efficient" but if you're in a situation where you're kicking a tank for being slow you're not going to be speedrunning the dungeon with or without the tank. Might as well convert what could have been a speedrun (but with an uncooperative tank) into a novelty run.

At least you don't have to suffer the tank's ego.

[SoulEchelon]

Once again. If I don't get a new tank, we pull the boss, and I heal during the boss. At least this way I feel like an actual healer instead of a green DPS who uses cooldowns every 30-60 seconds & regen.

It's not about tank making the dungeon take less time. It's about knowing you class & not wanting to deal with lazy people.
I ain't here to carry a tank that wants to watch netflix while they tank.

If you are in +50 content, and it isn't your first time in the dungeon, you shouldn't have trouble with your class.

But you CAN have trouble with mechanics if you're new to the dungeon. It's not that hard to comprehend. We were all new to these things once. Stop being holier than thou and realize this. This goes double when you're doing public roulettes - especially the leveling ones. You're going to be put with new people, and they might not know how things work. As a healer you of all people should be trying to HELP them, not hurt them. And where in any of my posts did I say you should carry a blatantly afking tank? Did I say anything about "netflix" in any of my posts in this whole entire forum? I swear, for a healer your mentality is not very helpful.

[kazzel120]

If the tank gets kicked, me & the dps continue the dungeon until we get a new one

And its now slower without the tank because now you have to heal spam a squishy target sounds like its better then sucking it up i guess.

[SoulEchelon]

The heck are you talking about. A ton of healers LIVE for healtanking because it's probably the most fun thing possible in normal modes.

Getting rid of the tank actually improves the gameplay experience for those remaining. It actually makes the encounters fresh again, and I've noticed bards in particular, jump at the chance to kite mobs around.

It doesn't matter if a tank never shows up again. It's more fun without one.

Yes, it's less "effecient" but the novelty of figuring out how to mitigate tankbusters without a tank more than makes up for boring cooldowns.

*Efficient, but good to know that if I ever see your name, the tank is going to be kicked the second they make a mistake because you'd rather have "fun" then let them have theirs.