The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[Fynlar]

And tank queue is also the exact reason so many Tanks believe they are above everybody else. This sense entitlement is of such a magnitude that you see this being posted everywhere: "If I get kicked, I'll just get an insta-queue again while the rest of the group have to wait "forever" for another tank". If that's not the most selfish, narcissistic thing in this game, I don't know what is.

It really doesn't come down to anything as ethical as you think it does. I simply have less to fear from being "strongarmed" to play a certain way that others want me to play (or else face being kicked) because I know I won't have to wait long for another queue. That's just facing facts; it has nothing to do with me thinking I'm "better" than anyone else.

Thankfully (and hopefully) with the addition of a new Tank job, things will not be as simple anymore. Bad tanks will actually be forced to cease believing the party to be their hostages and actually run the content in whatever pace the group decides to since, with their precious tank queue gone, maybe they'll try to be a team player or getting kicked might actually result in losing a lot of time now.

Not gonna happen. DRK didn't do anything in that regard and this job isn't gonna either.

[DJMau]

Thankfully (and hopefully) with the addition of a new Tank job, things will not be as simple anymore. Bad tanks will actually be forced to cease believing the party to be their hostages and actually run the content in whatever pace the group decides to since, with their precious tank queue gone, maybe they'll try to be a team player or getting kicked might actually result in losing a lot of time now.

What's actually gonna happen is that for a while the number of tanks is going to increase. Then once the new tank loses it's new car smell the amount of tanks will revert to about where they once were. And even then Queues will still be short because there are far fewer tanks in the game than DPS by design alone. Not even factoring how comparatively few people want to take any more responsibility beyond hit thing with weapon.

[Kaylessa]

How happy healers are with their new classes might influence the state of tank queues in Shadowbringers ...

[Baka_Neko1]

If a tank single pulls, I'm gonna stand on them and spam the manderville and /doze after hitting them with a regen. If they can single pull, my healer dps is gonna go out the window cuz I'm bored and wanna watch netflix.

[Baka_Neko1]

Somebody earlier was saying dungeons are designed around single pulls. I'd also like to raise them a "Dungeons were designed around regen only healing"

[Millybonk]

Healers don't get stressed when you pull large in level +50 content unless:
- They are bad at healing
- You are bad at tanking
- Either of you are new to the dungeon

Pull wall-to-wall is the general rule in dungeons that are high level because everyone has AOEs.

On the other hand, when a DPS takes the aggro of something and gets ripped to shreds, not pulling it off the DPS causes me to have to heal multiple sources when I could be DPSing.


Honestly, if a tank ended up not pulling mobs off of a DPS in late game dungeons, even if the DPS pulled it, I would probably give them a little nudge to take them before vote kicking them.

Do the job of your class, or get shown the door. If the DPS are pulling more mobs, it's because you are pulling very little, and making the dungeon take twice as long so you can watch netflix while tanking.

General rule by who's order? If I proclaim going from pack to pack is the new "in" does it also translate to a general rule?
It is more efficient to chain-pull groups, but expecting random people in a dungeon to play by your "general rule" is questionable.

Logical inconsistencies like that annoy me:

• Either every class has to do their job, meaning a slow tank going from pack to pack is doing his job, while a dps pulling instead of the tank isn't
• Or you're using a sleight of hand here, trying to excuses a dps who pulls intead of the tank because the tank is "too slow" under the guise of "Do the job of your class"

Decide, will ya, because all I can see is "Play by my rules, or I will kick you".

[Banriikku]

Simple and easy rule : if you spank it, you tank it.
Success is a group effort. You want it fast ? Ask . Easy as that. Just pull as a dd or healer? Get lost. Wall to wall pull is the general rule ? BS. Play together with your party members. Talk with them. Dont be a .....

[Zarabeth]

Yes, there is an unwritten rule that the tank pulls. If the tank isn't pulling fast enough for you ask them to pull faster, or just level a tank job yourself and go whatever speed you like (assuming your healer can keep up).

No, it is never ok to "pull for the slow tank". You won't die if the dungeon takes a couple minutes longer.

[Mixt]

You might however die if you run ahead and pull more than the tank and healer can handle.

Impatient DPS have caused quite a few wipes by pulling extra mobs and getting the tank killed as a result.

[Lilyth]

It really doesn't come down to anything as ethical as you think it does. I simply have less to fear from being "strongarmed" to play a certain way that others want me to play (or else face being kicked) because I know I won't have to wait long for another queue. That's just facing facts; it has nothing to do with me thinking I'm "better" than anyone else.

It absolutely does, being a "fact" doesn't negate that. As yourself admitted, Tanks feel "safe" because of it. It's not that hard to see how having a safety net can encourage special snowflake behavior in some people, leading them to think they should be treated differently just because one detail in the game favors them more. You honestly wouldn't see it being brought up nearly as much were it not the case, and that's a strong indication that people not only like it, but also use that in their favor. You shouldn't fear being kicked at all if you were not doing anything wrong or selfish in the first place.

Not gonna happen. DRK didn't do anything in that regard and this job isn't gonna either.

DRK came with another healer, GNB did not. But who knows, that was only my wishful thinking. Like I said, maybe such change would put bad tanks back in their proper place instead of thinking they shouldn't be "forced" to play in a way other than their own.
I'd like to see that. You spanked, you tank it... and you are getting kicked immediately after for not doing your job and will have to wait for another party to fulfill your personal Bossy Tank RP needs.