Comparing OT support skills

[ArianeEwah]

OP is wrong.

So how good/bad is TBN depends on damage incoming.

You can't say "has the best OT tool for Tankbusters" when it depends on how big is that tankbuster.

If you have 120k HP, and you take 200k tankbuster,
-> 15% damage reduction = 30k damage reduction
-> 25% hp = 30k damage reduction.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but actually YOU are wrong.

Your math might be techically right, but there is something fundamentally wrong. You die!
I could do your same math with a 300k or even 1mil tankbuster, and Intervention/Heart of Stone get waaay better than TBN... but at the end of the day, you still die! So it doesn't matter!

To survive a 200k tankbuster, you need Sentinel/Vengence etc. that reduces the tb damage to 140k damage.
TBN mitigates 30k, you survive with 10k HP.
HoS mitigates 21k, you survive with 1k HP...

Now tell me again, which one does a better job at mitigating?!

[Kalise]

I am sorry to disappoint you, but actually YOU are wrong.

Your math might be techically right, but there is something fundamentally wrong. You die!
I could do your same math with a 300k or even 1mil tankbuster, and Intervention/Heart of Stone get waaay better than TBN... but at the end of the day, you still die! So it doesn't matter!

To survive a 200k tankbuster, you need Sentinel/Vengence etc. that reduces the tb damage to 140k damage.
TBN mitigates 30k, you survive with 10k HP.
HoS mitigates 21k, you survive with 1k HP...

Now tell me again, which one does a better job at mitigating?!

Uhh... Literally the point they were making is that the higher the damage the better HoS gets...

Anyway, in that scenario, with a 120k HP tank vs 200k Tankbuster and popping Sentinel/Vengeance

PLD = Lets say 20% block, 20% DR from passive, 30% DR from Sentinel/Vengeance
With TBN they go up to 150k HP, block 20% of the damage (Putting it down to 160k) then mitigate 44% of the rest from passive + Sentinel and so take 89,600 damage and thus are left with 60,400 HP
With HoS they block 20% of the damage (Putting it down to 160k) then mitigate 53% of the rest from passive + Sentinel + HoS and so take 76,160 damage and thus are left with 43,840 HP

WAR = 20% DR from passive, 20% DR from Raw Intuition, 30% DR from Vengeance
With TBN they go up to 150k HP and mitigate 56% of the damage and so take 86,600 damage and thus are left with 60,400 HP
With HoS they mitigate 62% of the damage and so take 76,160 damage and thus are left with 43,840 HP

TBN provides 16,560 more HP in this scenario, but in either case, both Tanks live on a decent amount of life. In fact, both survive quite fine even without the support skills being used, sitting at 30k life after the fact...

Active mitigation skills and passive damage reduction is pretty stronk...

[ArianeEwah]

More math

tbh I don't know what exactly you wanna tell me there. In my previous post I said the same - the higher the damage, the better HoS...

But if damage taken is higher than your HP, it really does not matter! You can mitigate 500k points, if you still take more than 120k eHP dmg, you're dead.

And while I ofc know there is the passive from tank mastery, and multiple other CDs... TBN in comparison to all other "OT" CDs is effectively the strongest of them all. If you die with TBN applied, you wouldn't survive with any other CDs from your co-tank.

e.g. let's say MT has 120k HP, tankbuster will do 145k damage after every other mitigation except from OT has been calculated.

With TBN, MT survives with 5k HP - with HoS however MT will die with 123.250 dmg taken... 3250 dmg over their max HP pool.

That's to show just how strong TBN is. It is the best OT mitigation tool for tankbusters. And that's been told by other famous tank players (e.g. Xeno and Merri) in the last few days.

[Greywolfamakir]

I am sorry to disappoint you, but actually YOU are wrong.

Your math might be techically right

It sounds a bit contradictory.

My maths are right...my post was right. I didn't say something wrong.

[ArianeEwah]

twisted logic

Your post...

OP is wrong.

...and the OP is right, so yours is wrong, period!

Your "mitigation math" has no value either. You have to look at the remaining HP pool of the tankbusters' target. In both of your cases, the target would end up dead, your math is irrelevant, and distorts the truth.

With TBN +25% shield, the target gets effective 20% mitigation - no other OT mitigation tool reaches this number without any additional sacrfices (e.g. Intervention + Rampart)