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  1. #21
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    I'll be honest, from the Devil's Advocate point of view, that answer is very copy and paste and meant to deflect the issue away.

    We all know (or we said we knew when we signed up) what SE's official stance is on things of lewd/sexual nature as well as using 3rd party programs in conjuncture with the game.

    Yet their official stance doesn't match their taken stance. We're allowed to use 3rd party programs like Teamspeak, Mumble, and Discord that give groups (especially in a PVP sense) advantages over players who don't use it. We're allowed to use ACT to parse our logs and use the overlays to see what our optimal use of abilities is. The only catch is we can't use such information to harass other players with. We can't post a parse and tell someone their bad. We can't tell someone an insult we heard about them in VOIP, ect.

    As for Cybering and ERP. Its the same thing. If its kept out of public. No one is going to know, and even if it was reported. The GM is only going to look into the reported chats the offended was apart of. If they weren't apart to actually see the act, they'll have nothing to send to the GM report. No GM is going to sift through hundreds of lines of text with nothing to search with. If you think I'm off my rocker on this one, feel free to report the obvious ERPers and see if anything happens.

    As for local laws and such, companies aren't usually in the business of law enforcement. Its a very expensive venture to take, and yields very little profit if not a loss. Hence why tax revenue generating entities tend to handle it. All SE is going to do is comply with any subpoenas the local jurisdiction will take. But that is only if a complaint is made outside the game to local law enforcement.

    Suffice to say, GMs creeping about looking to sting brothels is probably not a thing. Thankfully I don't believe we'll see this sort of thing in SE anymore with games like Conan Exiles and others who not only allow for that sort of thing, but encourage it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    Suffice to say, GMs creeping about looking to sting brothels is probably not a thing. Thankfully I don't believe we'll see this sort of thing in SE anymore with games like Conan Exiles and others who not only allow for that sort of thing, but encourage it.
    I just had THE funniest image of a group of red armored GMs busting inside a house in the Goblet yelling (as in, literally, in /yell) "Nobody move! And stop all ERP at once!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    Yet their official stance doesn't match their taken stance. We're allowed to use 3rd party programs like Teamspeak, Mumble, and Discord that give groups (especially in a PVP sense) advantages over players who don't use it.
    This is the only point in your argument I have quibbles with: SE does not officially forbid all third party programs, they forbid programs that either pull data from FFXIV (ACT does this) or directly modify FFXIV (think graphics mods like ReShade). Discord and other voice chat programs that don't directly modify FFXIV are perfectly acceptable, which is why mentioning Discord in game isn't a reportable offense. And yeah, otherwise everything runs on an effective "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams View Post
    Yoshida is surprisingly left winged for someone that doesn’t live in the U.S. That’s pretty rare, haha. Very interesting interview, but also very pointless. It’s not like anyone gets banned for that crap anyways.
    I think you might be projecting a bit. Nothing in his answer hinted at his political ideals, which really aren't any of our business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    The guy who asked that question is a bit of a dick. His article about the US fan-fest made it clear he's not exactly a fan of the game or the people who play it.

    In general:

    "It’s a grand show, designed to tickle the emotions of exactly the kind of person who is willing to fly to Las Vegas and dress up as a moon goddess."

    "these numbers matter little to the die hard longears and cat people of the fan festival. They are too busy racing chocobos to care, or entering the “cactpot” raffle."

    "“It’s Haurchefant,” she says. I frown. Her-osh-o-fan? “Haurchefant!” she says again, as if I had not heard of Jesus Christ."

    After asking about Brothels:

    “Huuuhh!?” says director Naoki Yoshida when I ask about this during a press Q and A. He seems surprised, but it’s hard to believe the creators of the game aren’t aware of this most MMO of player behaviours."

    And finishes with:

    "Final Fantasy XIV is probably not the MMO for me. But there’s more happening in the world of Eorzea than I could have imagined. The worship of dead NPCs, the housing problems, the strangers cyber-rutting in the corners of fantasy taverns."
    This is pretty gutter-tier journalism, even for today's class of journalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    They'd have to raise the ESRB rating to A for adult content if they endorsed this behavior. Kind of kills a decent portion of your potential customer base.
    Endorsing and just turning a blind eye aren't really the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams View Post
    Yoshida is surprisingly left winged for someone that doesn’t live in the U.S. That’s pretty rare, haha. Very interesting interview, but also very pointless. It’s not like anyone gets banned for that crap anyways.
    I would say he is conservative, they tend to be less liberal towards some thing like in this case "brothels" xD
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    Last edited by Nedkel; 06-07-2019 at 11:59 AM.

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    everyone in FF14: *enjoying the game and having fun*

    press: "What is your official stance on player-run “brothels,”"

    seriously press, go look for your "hot news" somewhere else lol
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    everyone in FF14: *enjoying the game and having fun*

    press: "What is your official stance on player-run “brothels,”"

    seriously press, go look for your "hot news" somewhere else lol
    I think that this was the same guy who was invited to the event by them and decided to write a hitpiece on the event where he just ranted about how '' weird '' he thought that it all was and basically shamed people cosplaying...
    Or maybe these are two separate cases.
    Rock Paper Shotgun did the one that I am thinking of.
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    does this mean i can report the brothel next to my privat house?
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