Don't change a thing!!!

[Shikyo]

I'd be up for that.

Square-Enix is so adamant on making XIV that unique to FFXI that they're losing out on a lot of the beautiful things that made FFXI a complete success. FFXIV is FFXI's successor, Square seem to forget this fact. It's ok to borrow and copy little area's.. A delivery box.. Class names.. And AH..

I don't even think SE need to make FFXI-2.. I just think they have to accept that an MMO that ran for 8 years and is STILL running can be of a great benefit to the game at hand considering most of us are ex-XI players

Thank you thats all i am saying too, if u have a winning recipe that ppl loved and that withstood the test of time, keeping ingredients from that recipe cant hurt...

[darkstarpoet1]

it's not hard to get a class to level 50. also if you notice 2 of his classes in the 40's use shield so sentinel was easliy gotten to 50. just because someone has multiple high classes gives us no right to accuse them of cheating.

[Zhou]

Some people may like the game the way it is, but not enough. The game may be perfect in your eyes but the game is going to be built from a business point of view. The current game (or how it was when I last played it) would not make enough money to last and thus it would either be taken offline or given an overhaul at a later stage.

[darkstarpoet1]

Some people may like the game the way it is, but not enough. The game may be perfect in your eyes but the game is going to be built from a business point of view. The current game (or how it was when I last played it) would not make enough money to last and thus it would either be taken offline or given an overhaul at a later stage.

i know i am, speaking for myself, not saying the game doesn't need major fixes. i am looking at it from a business end when i keep saying they have to find a medium to make as many people happy as possible. to me that would involve using the unique ideas and doing major fixes to them. they have many issues with the game, but i feel as though it would make better business to try to work the system that is in place instead of taking more time to completely make a new system that nobody knows if it would work or be any better received than this one is. it would come out to not getting any more people and even more cost to try another completely new system if the new one wasn't a major success the first try.

the reason that is would be because many people would give the game a second chance when they heard a new system, but would leave for good the second time if it wasn't perfect. i feel like it's better to work within the framework established than to completely remove and hope for the best the second time around.

[Seikninkuru]

I hope the game turns into a WoW clone. Then I can laugh when all the FFXI throwbacks start crying about how SE has scorned them by not turning it into FFXI-2.

[Zkieve]

After reading the whole thin im split, simply because the game doesnt have a direction right now(that im aware of).

I understand OP enjoys the game .Many people do. But not enough.Changes have to happen or SE will keep loosing money forever.The problem now is not whatever those changes are gonna be radical or barely tweaking.The problem is into WHAT direction are those changes heading to.

Is it gonna be towards a vanilla FFXI or a WOW standards ? to put two different kinds of mmos as an example.I think more like the second option,based on the changes/patches direction.As much as people as myself would love to see a FFXI-2, this does not sell.In the end what matters is what makes money or not.

Devs basing important decisions in what the masses discuss in forums , could be a solution to "populate " FFXIV.That will definetly push away people who expected ffxi, or those who are "content" with how the game is now.

Personally?I enjoyed the game even with its flaws.But is to short.Once your done with it all you can do is rinse and repeat, then those flaws become super irritating , because theres nothing new to compensate.IMO the game will end up in something similar to WoW with a FF lore(somewhat), becouse that is what people will ask for .I enjoyed wow for a short spawn of time.Vanilla FFXI had everything wow didnt had in my case , so i stayed in FFXI for years.I came to FFXIV expecting a FFXI, but thats something that is not going to happen , no matter how much we pray for it.

At this point and in the current state of FFXIV i would be ok with whatever they decide to do but two thins,
game go F2P forever(=cash shop)
i find another mmo i like, with a long life spawn(play time).

It is really that simple , right now there just isnt a lot of good MMOs out there.For how long? not to long.

Kinda went a bit off topic there.

[darkstarpoet1]

no all they know is that people want huge changes and a complete overhaul. that's what keeps getting thrown around. well going to exactly like wow would be just that. it would be a complete overhaul that drastically changed rules of the game. that, i believe, is why it has been pointed out so many times that the question was too vague because the majority of the mmo player base in whole prefers that type of game.

is that what i want? not at all. to use the poll as to exactly what a player base wants to make the game better though needs more specific questions not a general thing that most people agree with, but for different reasons.

[Linnear]

well going to exactly like wow would be just that. it would be a complete overhaul that drastically changed rules of the game. that, i believe, is why it has been pointed out so many times that the question was too vague because the majority of the mmo player base in whole prefers that type of game.

is that what i want? not at all. to use the poll as to exactly what a player base wants to make the game better though needs more specific questions not a general thing that most people agree with, but for different reasons.

I will admite that the question was vague and SE can impove on that, but what I don't like is where does it say SE wants to make a wow clone, or where the community wants to make a wow clone. I have seen a lot of posts from people saying they don't want a wow clone but I didn't notice anyone advocating for one. Did I miss something vital? Or is everyone jumping the gun on some inner fear that SE all of a sudden wants a wow clone.

I will try to help by expaining my position here.

A clean UI that responds to a command when entered does not make a wow clone it is called a clean UI!

Differentation between class types in combat style is not a wow clone, it is an element of an RPG where the classes are unique!

Flashier animations on abilities is actually what SE has traditionally been good at, THis does not mean peope want XI-2!

If you get the impression that the majority of people posting comments for improvemtns are looking for a wow clone or for FFXI-2 then either I am missing something drastic, or your misinterpreting people comments.

Give the fearmongering a break and aruge something specific for a change intead of rehasing generalized Us-vs-Them fears.

Also, Dr,

The elements of game play you listed above are ALL included in XI or WoW with the exception of the incompasatate, which as someone already stated is more for items then for combat effecivness. I personally don't know how true this is but it reminds me of spellsteal from WoW. It was really usefull for one boss fight and was a gimik move other than that outside of PvP.

All of the elemens you like about the combat system, BR (similar to SC and the LoTRO thingy) attack from behind (like WoW) are from other games and they added to the FFXIV experience. So my question is why are you adverse to them adding more elements from other games since you seem to enjoy them so much? One of the reasons for WoW success is that they recognise a good idea for what it is, assimilate it into their system and make it work. You don't get to build an airplane by ignoring every generation or modle build before no do you?

Incompasatate right now ppears to be a gimik that is a good idea IF it's use becomes widespread etc, but just becuase lancers pierce and pug use blunt does NOT make them unique classes, just unique damage types, they all still play the same way and more importantly "Feel" the same. If you want to spend hours to find subtle differences in their game play to maximize their skill thats great, but it does not make the classes sufficiently diverse for my tastes.

[darkstarpoet1]

I will admite that the question was vague and SE can impove on that, but what I don't like is where does it say SE wants to make a wow clone, or where the community wants to make a wow clone. I have seen a lot of posts from people saying they don't want a wow clone but I didn't notice anyone advocating for one. Did I miss something vital? Or is everyone jumping the gun on some inner fear that SE all of a sudden wants a wow clone.

I will try to help by expaining my position here.

A clean UI that responds to a command when entered does not make a wow clone it is called a clean UI!

Differentation between class types in combat style is not a wow clone, it is an element of an RPG where the classes are unique!

Flashier animations on abilities is actually what SE has traditionally been good at, THis does not mean peope want XI-2!

If you get the impression that the jority of people posting comments for improvemtns are looking for a wow clone or for FFXI-2 then either I am missing something drastic, or your misinterpreting people comments.

no i do not believe anyone wants a wow clone. the statement was when someone uses the vague statement of drastic changes none of us really know what was meant by them. the questions to really get a good feel for what people wants to change it to.

if it's the xi route that majority wants that's up the the overall community. if it's sub jobs and trees the majority wants that's what the game needs. i just wouldn't want that type of change and would more than likely leave over them, but i am just one person so the game would not miss me.

if the majority wants a wow type concept that's what would be best for the game, but i believe most of us here would leave over those.

all i was saying was using that as an example of drastic changes and how that line of questioning could be interpreted. i was not now nor have i said that is what i want or that's what should happen. i was promoting trying to get more specific questions of changes not the general do you want changes. if this game was the best ever you would have people still not happy with it and want changes, but specific questions would allow them to see what the majority of people want.

[DoctorMog]

I need to explain a few things so that people aren't mislead by others putting words in my mouth.

-I enjoy the game. (Shocking I know!)

-The game needs tweaks, but it is already FAR deeper than people understand. Many people just don't know because they would rather see things handed to them or changed and made simpler. Take a good look at monster weaknesses for instance, has anyone even tried using weapons to exploit monsters weaknesses for leveling up? If you have, bravo ^.^ if not, I think you should look deeper into the games systems before you cry that it needs an overhaul.

(Also see:
Element wheel (and monster weaknesses)
Incapacitation
Monster weapon type weaknesses (slashing, blunt etc...)
Monster directional attacks received weakness (rear, right side etc...)
Weaponskills that do additional damage vs monsters
Afinity with weaponskills and their damage on class vs off class
Class specific standard attacks with additional effects
Effective stat allocation
Battle regimen types (and their additional effects)
Additional damage from BRs (combined with any of the previous in this list)

Point is, its deep... people are just lazy. (on a side note, if you are thinking about any of the above when killing things, you are doing it right XD)

-My linkshell and I worked very hard to get ahead efficiently and gain levels and knowledge faster than others by means of teamwork and cooperation. I work a full time job and have a wife, so I am not the unemployed grinding machine a lot of people think I am. I play with effectiveness in mind and I get the best use of my playtime.

So, while I am not in the opinion that playing more gives my voice more weight because I understand the game more than some others, I am in the opinion that a lot of people just don't know how deep this game really is. With its current mechanics, an overhaul would ruin so many wonderful things the game offers that people just don't know about or are willing to do. (see above paragraph)

I am trying to show some of these things in my videos, I hope people take a look at them sometime.

My final note is that I do kind of find it funny how hostile people get when I say I like FFXIV. Just because you don't enjoy the game doesn't mean someone else can't possibly enjoy it. Please think about that before you rant on about how terrible things are for you and how you lost $80 buying the box lol. Please be smart enough to see both sides of the table before you post potential changes, they could break the game.

~Mog