Don't change a thing!!!

[Gun_Anam]

I just sit back and breathe easy when I remember that the nonsense suggestions made in the general discussion area of the forums will be widely disregarded by any developer. SE are using player polls to decide the direction of the game, not suggestions made on this forum.

I also checked the box that said I would welcome major changes, but I would most certainly not embrace any of the changes suggested on these forums. Developers know better than to listen to every stupid suggestion that is posted on these forums. Really, ideas like pets, PvP, etc. are laughable when you consider the current state of the game. I'll perhaps worry more about those being implemented in 2-3 years but at the moment they're a pipe dream of people with nothing better to do.

[darkstarpoet1]

keep pushing, but how about quoting someone that actually made a post. as i said the game is not correct and i hate to differ with your but myself along with many that have quit and are still playing have differing views. like i said i did vote yes to major change, but i do not believe completely destroying a system is going to do anything to being the game back.

as i posted earlier the people that plays xi have to realize that it only equaled to 3 people playing xi compared to 100 playing wow. yes, that is 3% of the population. since 97% prefer the other way why not make it exactly like wow.
you love to quote majority rules and all. all i stated was this game has a good shell and should have the proper fixes not destroyed. yes, some of you want that so you would come back, but for every few of you that comes back some will leave so it will not increase the overall population. the only thing at this point that will bring people back is content and more stuff people have the option to do not change the name of a few classes around.

[Epo]

All of you are bashing this post like acting like none of you that play enjoy this game in the slightest bit. Yes we all want to see at least some change, but if you wanted a completely new game would you still be playing this one, waiting for the changes? I think people that want to see this game completely overhauled probably went to another MMO and look back at here waiting to see what changes are made. This happened in Aion, people got fed up with the game and a mass amount of people left. They loved the game, but slight things angered them enough to just leave. The system was still good, but things such as unbalanced pvp, and how the pvp worked in certain aspects caused them to leave. Later, Aion made these changes, and regained a major amount of old players resubscribing, and also received many new players to their game. They did not change their combat style, they did not change the graphic engine or overhaul a whole new world, they didn't add quests like crazy, nor did they do anything in the slightest to make the game more like WoW, and now it has a rather large community. Much more so than before they fixed these changes at least.

You're all saying "Oh, well 75% of people answered for major changes on a survey." Okay, that's just vague as can be. Darn straight I'd vote for change on almost any MMO. But no where does it say "Would you like a complete overhaul of the system?," 'cause if that's what it means by major changes, and they stated that in the survey, I have a feeling that number would be significantly lower. The people still playing FFXIV most enjoy something about the game to keep them playing, otherwise, like stated previously, they'd just leave, find another game, and look back for changes while this game was running. If they saw the changes they wanted, they would come back. Changing a whole system with the changes a lot of people want would stream-line this game, which, at first may seem very good for business. But when there are so many other stream-lined games already out, such as WoW and Rift, there's no way to compete, and no reason to. The people that come to FF games, I've noticed, tend to want to get away from stream-lined crap. They want to play something different. They may want slight changes that use the same engine/systems, but with variations. That's a change, but swapping out a whole new system, now that's an overhaul.

They may think animations are too bland, or clothes all look the same and too generic. They may think slight variations to the combat would make it better, but not a whole new system, otherwise, if they hated the system all together, why would they stay? Some may want an auto-attack feature that makes you attack automatically when your gauge fills up. Or some may want the same exact system with auto-attack thrown in (a different type of auto-attack, which I will explain right now) where you still have normal attacks you use when your gauge fills up to gain TP or what have you, but depending on the speed of your weapon you automatically attack without any skills, even your normal ones. This would leave the system how it is, but give more of a fast-paced rush, instead of wondering why the hell your character's standing still doin' nothing, waiting for a gauge to fill up. Or maybe the player wants pvp implemented in someway. Maybe they want those wastelands of nothingness to be filled with more props and objects and monsters. These are all slight changes that keep the same aspects of the game, but improve upon them, and are what I would imagine the majority of people want.

Why would I imagine the majority want this? Because there are only so many people posting overhauls that they want. Like what, 50 of them? Sure more than 50 want those major overhauls but 50 are speaking out. As the poster stated, those are unhappy tend to speak out, while those happy don't. Why would someone happy speak out? The game's already good and how they like it, and the company already said they're gonna fix it up a little to improve upon. So 50 people say they want overhauls, but what about the thousands of players that aren't saying anything? If someone already stated they want an overhaul, someone else isn't gonna say they want the same or similar overhaul because that'd be redundant and the idea has already been contributed to the company. But those happy with the game, do not speak, and they do not speak because it seems pointless. "Hey SE, I'm happy with the game!" No, they're too intent actually being happy with the game to waste forum space with their opinion that doesn't really seem like it matters.

I have to whole heartily agree with this thread because I've played many, many MMOs, and players do need to say when they like something. Once again, I bring up Aion. In that game it was often advertised as a PvP game with open world PvP, so it attracted a huge crowd of PvPers. But, because of it's pretty graphics, some PvErs came. The PvErs all raged that they got ganked and die while questing, so they complained, and Aion took out the ability to PvP anywhere. This, of course, made them lose a wide majority of their players. Obviously, seeming all those subscriptions end showed they screwed something up, so they made a survey, asked if people wanted pvp or pve more. The survey, after 2 months + of voting, ended in major favor of PvP anywhere. Thus, they brought PvP back. However, just a few weeks later, they changed it back to not being able to PvP anywhere, solely because PvErs were crying they didn't like dying while questing or on their way to an instance. So even with the survey winning majorly in favor of PvP, they took it back out, and lost their subscriptions. The point being, a company can listen to players too much, because they think just because a few players cry about a certain something, it's what everyone wants. Sadly, NCSoft still hasn't gotten that through their brain, as they continue to repeat the process and lose players, which I think would be message enough. However, as SE seems to be a much smarter company, I think they'll be able to realize this (hopefully) in time.

[napalmninja]

Just so everyone's clear.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...98e4034b898102

Look down the 75% doesn't say major changes, it says an OVERHAUL to fundamental aspects.

Sorry, but the majority of people didn't answer because its vague they answered because they want an overhaul.

EDIT: Look down even further 85% would accept rule altering changes.

[darkstarpoet1]

Just so everyone's clear.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...98e4034b898102

Look down the 75% doesn't say major changes, it says an OVERHAUL to fundamental aspects.

Sorry, but the majority of people didn't answer because its vague they answered because they want an overhaul.

EDIT: Look down even further 85% would accept rule altering changes.

did the question say do you want to remove the armory system and go to the xi subjob system? did it say get rid of everything and go to being exactly like wow? did it say add tons of content so people have things to do? did it say gear the game towards a more solo or group type play? overhaul means many things and people did not all have the same idea of which overhaul they want to do.

some people just wanted crafting overhauled to be more streamlined. i wanted the content overhauled to become more fun. some wanted battle classes overhauled. some wanted armory system overhauled. there are many types of overhauls that are available and just because most wanted overhaul does not mean they want everything destroyed and completely different. it may have been just a few things they wanted changed to make it more enjoyable for them.

in these scenarios yes overhaul is a very vague question without having any specific things to be overhauled.

[napalmninja]

did the question say do you want to remove the armory system and go to the xi subjob system? did it say get rid of everything and go to being exactly like wow? did it say add tons of content so people have things to do? did it say gear the game towards a more solo or group type play? overhaul means many things and people did not all have the same idea of which overhaul they want to do.

some people just wanted crafting overhauled to be more streamlined. i wanted the content overhauled to become more fun. some wanted battle classes overhauled. some wanted armory system overhauled. there are many types of overhauls that are available and just because most wanted overhaul does not mean they want everything destroyed and completely different. it may have been just a few things they wanted changed to make it more enjoyable for them.

in these scenarios yes overhaul is a very vague question without having any specific things to be overhauled.

Definition of fundamental: serving as a basis supporting existence or determining essential structure or function.

That pretty much means everything, and like I said if you look further down a whopping 85% said they would accept rule altering changes. The rules would be the defining features: combat, crafting, content etc...

I know you love the game how it is and that's fine your entitled to your opinion.

I also agree that you aren't alone, others love how it is also.

Unfortunately the majority of people don't and that's what the polls are for, to get a general idea of what people want to see done and changed. All we know is that a large amount want massive change, if they didn't Tanaka would still be in charge.

[MHB3000]

/clap
bravo.

Just a wild guess: that self-proclaimed Mog Doctor just realized
that if the rules of Eorzea are fundamentally changed, it will
endanger the advantage he/she gained by mindlessly grinding
through a game almost noone else could bear to play for more
than a few hours per week.

Hint: Sometimes life is fair, and mindlessness is not rewarded.

Dr. Mog is a pioneer of the game.. I am just as jealous as you are Rinsui of Mog's Ranks.. but I atleast know it wasnt mindless grinding, but rather having a full dedicated LS that is organized and lead correctly. Him along with his LS constantly update information for the community on other sites. His input holds more value then most not because he cares to have an advantage over other people, but rather because hes done it all.. He knows and understands the game more then the trolls and "jumping" sheep in these forums. I for one agree with him.. it will be a shame to have this game turn into a clone of WoW.. The game needs change.. but it does not need to be "rehauled".. and those that are still playing.. enjoy the game.. otherwise they wouldnt play. We need more people who actually know the ins and the outs of the game to speak out and give their opinions.. but either way.. trolls will be trolls

Im not even in Mog's server nor ever talked to the guy.. and I value his opinion more then most

[darkstarpoet1]

no i do not love the game how it is. i just feel tweaks/fixes/changes would be the better way in the long run to go about correcting the issues over putting a completely new system i place then in 6 more months fighting on how to change that again because the new system didn't work how we wanted it to either. to me it's just more beneficial as the company to work off the base set in place and make changes as they see fit to work with members from all groups than it is to completely alienate one group and hope they hit a home run with the other. i have a feeling alot of people on here will never be happy with this game unless they remove the xiv tag and put xi-2 in its place. anything short of that and this game will always be fail to that group.

[napalmninja]

no i do not love the game how it is. i just feel tweaks/fixes/changes would be the better way in the long run to go about correcting the issues over putting a completely new system i place then in 6 more months fighting on how to change that again because the new system didn't work how we wanted it to either. to me it's just more beneficial as the company to work off the base set in place and make changes as they see fit to work with members from all groups than it is to completely alienate one group and hope they hit a home run with the other. i have a feeling alot of people on here will never be happy with this game unless they remove the xiv tag and put xi-2 in its place. anything short of that and this game will always be fail to that group.

Again that's what the player polls are for, so SE can get an idea about what people want to see done.

Only in a perfect world would they be able to make it so FFXIV appeals to everyone, that's very wishful thinking. So in order to maintain the game, and actually make money of of it they have to appease a broader audience.

It's just not possible to please everyone, some will get alienated, maybe even I will be part of the alienated group.

My advice: wait for the polls, vote how you feel and even if the majority beats you in numbers, be glad that you tried and just move on.

[darkstarpoet1]

Again that's what the player polls are for, so SE can get an idea about what people want to see done.

Only in a perfect world would they be able to make it so FFXIV appeals to everyone, that's very wishful thinking. So in order to maintain the game, and actually make money of of it they have to appease a broader audience.

It's just not possible to please everyone, some will get alienated, maybe even I will be part of the alienated group.

My advice: wait for the polls, vote how you feel and even if the majority beats you in numbers, be glad that you tried and just move on.

i did vote in the polls and did vote for major changes, but my idea of major changes differs from you idea of major changes. that's why people were saying the questions were too vague and there are worries of what the developers took as major changes. it has even been mentioned in this very thread of turning this game into wow with a ff name on it. just because we voted yes we want change does not mean everyones opinions of change is the same. when they create polls they need to be more specific on the types of changes they wish to initiate so people can vote on the specifics not generalized questions.