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    Do the tank combos look interesting or engaging?

    So I was browsing the skills for each tank and how they will work now.

    Does anyone else feel that Gunbreakers single target combo(s) look more interesting than PLD, WAR, or DRK. I mean PLD and WAR do have a small split combo, but DRK still only has the 1,2,3, just with no Dark Arts spam. Meanwhile GNB has these interwoven skills that pop up like every other rotation. something just feels off.
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    Well Paladin's looks a bit more active than now at least, since you're still focused on the split (we didn't really use Halone too much). Yet thanks to the sword oath from Royal Authority we now get to weave in another oGCD* which is kind of cool (Circle of Scorn, Spirits Within, Atonement).

    Gunbreaker certainly looks interesting though in terms of the combo set up.

    *(edit: it is not oGCD.. it is Fell Cleave spam. Thanks Otorinth for checking that.)
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    Last edited by Shougun; 06-06-2019 at 07:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Well Paladin's looks a bit more active than now at least, since you're still focused on the split (we didn't really use Halone too much). Yet thanks to the sword oath from Royal Authority we now get to weave in another oGCD which is kind of cool (Circle of Scorn, Spirits Within, Atonement).

    Gunbreaker certainly looks interesting though in terms of the combo set up.
    Atonement isn't an oGCD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otorinth View Post
    Atonement isn't an oGCD.
    You don't think we'll be able to weave it in like a Dark Arts? I feel like it will be, but I guess it might not be since it shows a similar recast timer.



    I'd rather it not be spammed in a row if possible.. I don't want Warrior's Fell Cleave train XD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    So I was browsing the skills for each tank and how they will work now.

    Does anyone else feel that Gunbreakers single target combo(s) look more interesting than PLD, WAR, or DRK. I mean PLD and WAR do have a small split combo, but DRK still only has the 1,2,3, just with no Dark Arts spam. Meanwhile GNB has these interwoven skills that pop up like every other rotation. something just feels off.
    People need to stop overestimating the frequency of the Continuation combo on GNB.

    You get it once every 35sec (reduced by sks). It not "every other rotation".
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    Yeah... It's part of the reason why I'm planning to switch to GNB. (The other part being that they don't have a "Burst window" that is CD + OMEGASPAM like the other Tanks do now with Requiescat > Holy Spirit, Inner Release > Fell Cleave and Delirium > Bloodspiller... That's just lame)

    Dark Knight is just 123 ad infinitum
    Warrior is the same 123 combo they currently have, with the standard usage of 1x Eye 2x Path combo rotation (So essentially 123 > 124 > 124) with the only deviation being like a FC every 2ish combo's.
    Paladin is similar only after a Royal Authority they get 3x Atonement to spam. So it's like 123 > 124 > 555 > 124 > 555

    Gunbreaker at the very least has it's Gnashing Fang combo that comes with oGCD weaving (It also appears to have a CD affected by SkS so if you stack SkS you'll be able to get like what 25-30s CD on it?) so it's like 123 > 456575 > 1238 > 1238 > 1238 (Of course adding in that oGCD Burst Strike at the end of each 123 combo)

    Gunbreaker also has some DoT management from Sonic Break and Bow Shock. With Sonic Break also having CD affected by SkS to make it more readily available.

    But yeah... Not particularly engaging. DRK's clearly in the worst position, since they also lose their DA weaving that would make their 1 combo somewhat engaging as well as also losing their SkS buff from Blood Weapon for attacking faster. (Why does SE hate DRK's so much?)

    Definitely SkS GNB looks to be the most fun looking Tank rotation shifting between a standard rotation and a full on oGCD weave rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    You don't think we'll be able to weave it in like a Dark Arts? I feel like it will be, but I guess it might not be since it shows a similar recast timer.



    I'd rather it not be spammed in a row if possible..
    Looks like you`re going to do FoF -> Goring -> Royal Authority -> Atonement x3 -> Goring
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otorinth View Post
    Looks like you`re going to do FoF -> Goring -> Royal Authority -> Atonement x3 -> Goring
    I totally see what you see now.. which makes me sad lol. I think I let my idea of what Sword Oath did get the best of me, added an edit just to prevent my rose glasses spreading XD. Glad you caught me early haha.

    But I really don't like they just Fell Cleaved Paladin.. twice now lol. Holy spirit is sort of one, although at least it does get a capstone move which is neat (but two now..? please stop, not every job needs Fell Cleave >.<; ). I don't hate Fell Cleave but I didn't really want it either as I was fine it was Warrior's thing (but now it's Paladin's twice and Dark Knight's once).

    Would rather have to blend it into the next series of moves- as if it was Dark Arts. Although, obviously different since ours technically deals damage and is still more straight forward (doesn't combine with other skills like Dark Arts does). Could even cooldown it a bit just so the weave is separated a little (every other gcd, weave in Atonement). On the plus (?) side I guess it's easy to do a lot of damage... Press to win hehe (I'll live, it's not the end of the world but I'm not crazy for the one button + a buff shuffle).
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    Never forget that we used to spam "Rage of Halone" for DPS and Flash for AoE. Now:

    Goring -> Authority -> Atonement x3 -> Requiescat Holy Spirit x4 -> Confiteor
    Total Eclipse -> Providence -> Requiescat Holy Circle x4 -> Confiteor

    Paladin rotation has never been sexier. I'm kind of happy Atonement isn't oGCD. We already have plenty of oGCD's to press with our offensive, defensive, and support skills. Sometimes not even being able to press Shield Swipe in time before it ran out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlha View Post
    People need to stop overestimating the frequency of the Continuation combo on GNB.

    You get it once every 35sec (reduced by sks). It not "every other rotation".
    I'm not sure which angle you are coming from exactly. But this thread is about how engaging and interesting the tank combos look. It has nothing to do with their DPS. Up until now each tanks combos were pretty on par with one another, until DRK got gutted, I mean they are basically 1, 2, 3. But now all 3 tank combos look sorta boring compared to the perceived GNB combos. Granted not many of us have experience with it. But those who got to play it all describe it as very fun to play.
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