Scholar changes

[Legion88]

Ruin II has been buffed to 200 potency in the media tour build. It's learned at level 38.
The only reason to use Ruin instead of Ruin II when you get it would be because Ruin II cost 200 more MP. But that shouldn't be an issue.

Ruin II is now buffed by 40 potency every time Ruin/Broil gets an upgrade. So it will be 80/120/160/200 potency.
Ruin/Broil will be superior to Ruin II outside of the need for weaving oGCDs or movement.

[Limonia]

I've just watched a video of the new SCH skills again and noticed that the faerie will cast Embrace whenever someone has lost any HP. Or is that wrong?
It was Mr. Happy's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pj8QJa-pYA (I just randomly clicked on one of the 5.0 SCH videos)
Whenever Thancred didn't have full HP, he would receive an Embrace heal (or whoever had the least HP at that time, like Alisaie).
I haven't read this anywhere yet, but I think it's kind of weird. Embrace is weaker than before, but having it heal someone as soon as they are at 99% HP? It's going to overheal A LOT.

[dezzmont]

In theory you can still force embrace to hit the right target. Overhealing isn't bad as long as it doesn't cost real resources. You always thought of old Eos as basically a superior single target regen for the MT by using macros that you could move in emergency, and in that scenario hypothetical overheal was fine. If the tank is tanking correctly, someone else taking some damage shouldn't matter until they drop lower than the tank. If that happens AND the tank is in danger, its probably time to pop an aetherflow or some mana to heal anyway.

I think the greater problem is that its really clunky. I would vastly prefer to be able to just permanently assign Eos a 'dance partner' than to have to use positioning, and if we can't have that I would prefer macros to positioning. The outcome likely will be the same or mostly the same, it will just be harder and more annoying.

[Limonia]

I was only thinking that now that the faerie can't be targeted anymore, all aggro will directed to the SCH. Not tht it's much of a problem. I just noticed it.

A dungeon scenario (because they exist): So while before the faerie wouldn't cast Embrace while you where running when you were following the tank doing a mass-pull, she does that now and if the tank misses a target or is bad or the enemy can't be targeted yet but is already on the aggro list (like in Ghimlyt Dark), the enemies will run to the SCH. It was controllable before by not healing the tank during a pull. Now it is not.
I know it doesn't matter much, especially if the tank isn't bad and so on and so forth. It just came to mind that it MAY happen more often now, because the Faerie will probably spam Embrace on the tank all the time. Or maybe she will still not cast while moving?

I'm not doing that many raids and when I do them I'm not really going for optimal play. I'm still trying my best BUT didn't even have Embrace on my main two cross hotbars anymore. So I rarely manually used it anyway, mostly only to trigger Divine Veil without having to use a GCD heal, or things like that. So I'm really fine with not being able to control it anymore. I just wondered if it's really necessary to have it automatically cast on 99% HP.

[Fyce]

Ruin II is buffed to 200 potency at level 72, which is also when you get Broil III. Bit it was mostly about less DPSing power in low level dungeons prior to getting Broil

Damn, you're right. I skipped Broil Mastery III as simply I assumed it just made Broil II into Broil III.
So yeah, SCH will definitly be weak DPS wise for most of its early leveling. I hope it's an oversight.
Good catch.

Ruin II is now buffed by 40 potency every time Ruin/Broil gets an upgrade. So it will be 80/120/160/200 potency.
Ruin/Broil will be superior to Ruin II outside of the need for weaving oGCDs or movement.

I quickly (might have missed something) checked gamerescape, MTQcapture, Mr.Happy, Larryzaur, Reddit media tour, and none of them went into full details about traits. I just noticed reddit mentionned the Lv.72 trait and that's about it. I had to check a french media for the full info.

Regarding the numbers you gave me, the french outlet I checked had different ones, starting with 100 at Lv.38, 140 at Lv.54 with Broil Mastery I, 170 at Lv.64 with Broil Mastery II, and finally 200 at Lv.72 with Broil Mastery III. Though it was text and not screenshots.
Would you mind sharing your source? It might be differences between the NA and EU build, which would indicate that this stuff is still being under some changes.

Edit: No, it's not differences between builds. Here's Reddit's screenshot of their video on the subject, and Ruin II does seem to start at 100 pot. It's also in their text script for their video:

Ruin II gets buffed from 100 to 200 potency through traits, making it even better for weaving.

Still didn't find any detail regarding the inbetween levels though.

Final Edit:

The linked video from MTQ goes over every trait and the Broil Mastery Traits set the potency for Ruin II to 140/170/200 potency.
So yeah i had the wrong numbers in my head and i also didn't find the base potency for Ruin II.
I'm sorry.

Yeah, it seems I skipped to quickly. It was the third one I checked and started to get impatient.
Whatever the case, the final verdict was that Eloah was right saying that SCH would be pretty weak in terms of DPS for its early leveling.

[Valmaxian]

Some of you probably noticed - in gameplay footage, Alphinaud’s carbuncle deals damage, and he himself uses Tri-Disaster...as a Scholar...and he heals juuuust fine! Can we have THAT version of SCH?

[Ilenya]

If you have excog on all the time you are probably wasting so many of them... So yeah.

An excog per pull in dungeons makes sense but for raiding if you excog on cooldown (ish) you're pretty much doing it wrong yes. You should cycle through all your other free ogcd options before excog. Including your co healer ogcds since those don't actually have a cost (unlike excog). So that's fey union, rouse + embrace, whispering dawn if the timing is right for party heals, your cohealer's full ogcd options. If none of those are available (on cooldown / healers running a mechanic) or work for the upcoming damage pattern then excog is the go to.

Worth mentioning that by "wrong" I mean you probably have room for improvement. Excog on cooldown is going to be a waste but if you throw excog out 3-4 times in a fight instead of a potential once or twice it's not going to be a big deal. And probably not really worth your peace of mind.

In reply to these, I don't tend to automatically think in terms of raids since I don't run them all that actively. I was thinking dungeons.

[Legion88]

I quickly (might have missed something) checked gamerescape, MTQcapture, Mr.Happy, Larryzaur, Reddit media tour, and none of them went into full details about traits. I just noticed reddit mentionned the Lv.72 trait and that's about it. I had to check a french media for the full info.

Regarding the numbers you gave me, the french outlet I checked had different ones, starting with 100 at Lv.38, 140 at Lv.54 with Broil Mastery I, 170 at Lv.64 with Broil Mastery II, and finally 200 at Lv.72 with Broil Mastery III. Though it was text and not screenshots.
Would you mind sharing your source? It might be differences between the NA and EU build, which would indicate that this stuff is still being under some changes.

Edit: No, it's not differences between builds. Here's Reddit's screenshot of their video on the subject, and Ruin II does seem to start at 100 pot. It's also in their text script for their video: Still didn't find any detail regarding the inbetween levels though.

The linked video from MTQ goes over every trait and the Broil Mastery Traits set the potency for Ruin II to 140/170/200 potency.
So yeah i had the wrong numbers in my head and i also didn't find the base potency for Ruin II.
I'm sorry.

[Freerider]

I honestly think if they just return energy drain to sch we will be in good shape. It will just be a little boring to play.
The reason I started playing sch is because I was bored of the simplicity of whm. So much for that.

[technole]

I honestly think if they just return energy drain to sch we will be in good shape. It will just be a little boring to play.
The reason I started playing sch is because I was bored of the simplicity of whm. So much for that.

Yeah energy drain loss was pretty large, not just for the sake of MP and small damage but the job actually had an "opportunity cost" for spending Aetherflow.

Now the hard rotation will be Soil, Excog/Indom, Soil, Soil....until your eyes bleed.