The Warrior of Light is not tempered by Hydaelyn.

[Floortank]

1) "Ajora Glabados, first of the Zodiac Braves, was not the hero the church would have you believe. He betrayed Mother Hydaelyn for the promise of coin and power, summoning forth a terrible evil from the depths of the celestial abyss." -Orran Durai, from "The City of Lost Angels", cutscene #2.

2) "And if the liberator's visions are to be taken as fact, it also appears we now know what the High Seraph meant by 'blood of my invoker.'"
"She was not speaking of ancestors in the sense of actual kin, but the line of those chosen by Hydaelyn to serve Her as Warriors of Light." -Fran and Mikoto, from "The City of Lost Angels", cutscene #3.

By this we know that Ajora Glabados was a Warrior of Light, and that he betrayed Hydaelyn, something he would not be able to do if he was tempered.

[Anonymoose]

Thank you.

(I didn't even read your post, yet, but the title brought my blood pressure down like 5 points.)

[Kalise]

I mean, we also had literally met the Warriors of Darkness from the First.

Whom had denounced Hydaelyn.

Can't do that if y'all are Tempered.

[Gula]

Sorry did you meant to post this in a response to a thread and end up making a thread? Kinda out of nowhere spoilers via declaration.

[Theodric]

The Warrior of Light is the exception to many a rule, to be fair. Tempering may also abide by different laws when it comes to beings that operate on a higher scale of power and circumstances to anything we've dealt with so far.

In short? Let's wait and see. It's only a little under two weeks to go until we get some major lore revelations to chew on and I don't believe we should be clinging to absolutes.

[Iscah]

But on the broader issue...

In short? Let's wait and see. It's only a little under two weeks to go until we get some major lore revelations to chew on and I don't believe we should be clinging to absolutes.

Prettymuch this. We don't know enough to be stating anything for certain right now, and should wait for the full explanation before trying to make sense of it.

[Floortank]

The Warrior of Light is the exception to many a rule, to be fair. Tempering may also abide by different laws when it comes to beings that operate on a higher scale of power and circumstances to anything we've dealt with so far.

In short? Let's wait and see. It's only a little under two weeks to go until we get some major lore revelations to chew on and I don't believe we should be clinging to absolutes.

Tempering in every case we've ever seen means loss of free will and utter slavery. The tempered are in utter thrall to the one that has tempered them.

If you're positing that the WOL has free will, then they're not tempered, as that's the only defining feature of tempering.

[Iscah]

Tempering in every case we've ever seen means loss of free will and utter slavery. The tempered are in utter thrall to the one that has tempered them.

If you're positing that the WOL has free will, then they're not tempered, as that's the only defining feature of tempering.

Loss of free will is the only defining characteristic as far as we currently know. And we're (possibly) about to know a whole lot more.

Even then, it's debatable and the degree of free will varies. Our first sighting of the soldiers tempered by Ifrit showed them rendered into mindless worshippers. But we've seen others like the Ananta, who have retained the ability to at least seem to think and act 'normally' and be undetectable to others around them. They may still be free to act independently in any matters not related to what their god wants or doesn't want them to do.

[Floortank]

Loss of free will is the only defining characteristic as far as we currently know. And we're (possibly) about to know a whole lot more.

Even then, it's debatable and the degree of free will varies. Our first sighting of the soldiers tempered by Ifrit showed them rendered into mindless worshippers. But we've seen others like the Ananta, who have retained the ability to at least seem to think and act 'normally' and be undetectable to others around them. They may still be free to act independently in any matters not related to what their god wants or doesn't want them to do.

The Ananta were completely without free will, they were just able to plan and execute a scheme at their primal's behest. But that's not even the real issue.

The defining trait of tempering isn't even loss of free will in a generalized sense; it's that you are forced to worship and obey the primal.

Hydaelyn told Ajora to betray her and unleash a calamitous monster she went to great pains to seal away? No.

Ifrit's guys were fawning and craven in their adoration but that doesn't mean he burned away their brains. We've seen the tempered execute schemes and sabotage in the past. That's why the Alliance executes the Tempered. They're not just zombie-like thralls you can spot at a hundred yalms. They're actually dangerous.

[Leaf_Dragoon]

The Ananta were completely without free will, they were just able to plan and execute a scheme at their primal's behest. But that's not even the real issue.

The defining trait of tempering isn't even loss of free will in a generalized sense; it's that you are forced to worship and obey the primal.

Hydaelyn told Ajora to betray her and unleash a calamitous monster she went to great pains to seal away? No.

Ifrit's guys were fawning and craven in their adoration but that doesn't mean he burned away their brains. We've seen the tempered execute schemes and sabotage in the past. That's why the Alliance executes the Tempered. They're not just zombie-like thralls you can spot at a hundred yalms. They're actually dangerous.

I agree the Amal'jaa quests showed that Ifrit's tempered are perfectly capable of going undercover within non-tempered societies to reek havoc. I'm pretty sure that one of the brotherhood of Ash claims that Little Ala Mhigo was filled with tempered spies.