Thread: Samurai 5.0 changes, feedback/suggestions

I actually really like the changes for the most part. My two biggest problems with SB SAM was that runing out of TP when doing AoE was very easy and felt horrible, and that it sometimes felt like you barely got to use Iaijutsu on some fights due to downtime. I know Ikishoten is somewhat controversial, and I would like a sen wipe just for the utility, but in reality you had to use it as a DPS cooldown as part of your rotation rather than as a utility skill.

Originally Posted by Gemina

I don't run parsers or anything like that, but I could just feel my DPS suffering if I held onto Kenki for the sake of boosting Madare. So hopefully that let's you know that not all new SAMs see Madare as the end all be all of SAM. Especially after acquiring skills like Guren.

You should always hold kenki for booing Iaijutsu. A boosted Midare adds 400 potency for 20 kenki (20p/k) and a boosted Higanbana will give 475 potency for 20 kenki (23.75p/k). Shinten only adds 320 potency for 25 kenki (12.8p/k). The only Hissatsu that ever beats the appropriate Iaijutsu is Senei and Guren for single target and AoE respectively. This means that you should never use Shinten or Kyuten unless you know you'll have enough kenki to both boost every Iaijutsu and to use Senei/Guren on cooldown.

Originally Posted by Stormblessed9000

I actually really like the changes for the most part. My two biggest problems with SB SAM was that runing out of TP when doing AoE was very easy and felt horrible, and that it sometimes felt like you barely got to use Iaijutsu on some fights due to downtime. I know Ikishoten is somewhat controversial, and I would like a sen wipe just for the utility, but in reality you had to use it as a DPS cooldown as part of your rotation rather than as a utility skill.



You should always hold kenki for booing Iaijutsu. A boosted Midare adds 400 potency for 20 kenki (20p/k) and a boosted Higanbana will give 475 potency for 20 kenki (23.75p/k). Shinten only adds 320 potency for 25 kenki (12.8p/k). The only Hissatsu that ever beats the appropriate Iaijutsu is Senei and Guren for single target and AoE respectively. This means that you should never use Shinten or Kyuten unless you know you'll have enough kenki to both boost every Iaijutsu and to use Senei/Guren on cooldown.

I should have been more clear. I didn't mean to not boost Midare, I just meant to not hold onto Shenten. The thing is though, you can use it pretty liberally but there are some windows where you shouldn't burn the 25 kenki so Midare's GCD lines up correctly. Post 62, you generate 20 kenki required pretty quickly assuming you're doing your positionals.

do agree Shoha needs to be changed some how
also Third eye and its mechanics also seem extremely minor now

What I wonder is, will SAM be shoved out of Meta for NIN or DRG.

Originally Posted by Khalen_Shield

What I wonder is, will SAM be shoved out of Meta for NIN or DRG.

Ninja will always be META as long as it has Trick Attack. Drg won't be as desired as before with the loss of the piercing debuff.

I can agree with Hagakure. I don't mind the change to Ikishoten. I actually prefer it for the damage window we now get, but I miss the ability to get rid of Sen after a fight.

Hopefully, they could add Hagakure back but it could only be used outside combat as a Sen dump.

Hopefully? They need to, SAM feels so clumsy without it.

So far, not having Hagakure hasn't been bad or difficult. I'm having fun still.

Originally Posted by Leonus

So far, not having Hagakure hasn't been bad or difficult. I'm having fun still.

I agree. It's not the end of the world, but it would be a good QOL change to be able to dump Sen after a fight. I'd be fine if it didn't give anything in return either, no Kenki. It would be nice of them , but I would understand.

As far as the other abilities, I can agree that Shoha feels too situational for such an awesome animation.

I know this is not popular opinion, but to me, Third Eye is SAM's best ability. The problem with Third Eye is that the abilities it procs are not that great. Seigan is a minor DPS gain and Merciful eyes is a heal which is clearly a copy somewhat of Monk and the Chakra system.

IMHO, the changes they should make are this:

Make Shoha be an upgrade from Seigan and make the potency worth it like around 750-800. We get an OGCD with a great animation that we can use during raid wide damage.

Change merciful eyes to some other name and make it a buff off of meditation. The meditation stacks would determine how much the buff is and give it a decent timer like 15 seconds. The buff could be dmg, crit, or direct hit. That way when you got to Shinten spam or Senei after meditation downtime, your getting that worthwhile burst of DPS to catch you back up.

If SE is really generous, give us a AOE ability after procing Third Eye to complete the set.