The Healer Double Standard

[Supersnow845]

Simple:

Piety - Increases mana regen slightly while increasing all healing done slightly.

There. It's not a sh!t stat anymore. It's equal to Det.

Increasing healing dome is pointless when the alternative is damage

[Deceptus]

Increasing healing dome is pointless when the alternative is damage

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that the ffxiv devs don't think healers should be doing decent damage. That change puts Piety in line with their in game vision, also, det increases damage but that small piety change changes it from worthless, to less worthless.

baby steps.

[Supersnow845]

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that the ffxiv devs don't think healers should be doing decent damage. That change puts Piety in line with their in game vision, also, det increases damage but that small piety change changes it from worthless, to less worthless.

baby steps.

I mean regardless of what square thinks the healers should do if they have the ability to cause damage and piety doesn’t increase damage and the healers can get by with minimal to no GCD use then piety is useless no matter how it’s dressed up

[Liam_Harper]

Piety - Increases mana regen slightly while increasing all healing done slightly.

There. It's not a sh!t stat anymore. It's equal to Det.

No it's a sh!t stat unless it increases damage. We don't need more healing, especially "slight" healing. Even if it was ok for prog, it'd become 0 stat again as soon as your group plays well.

Piety and Tenacity should have equal dps contributions to Det. Who cares if the stat priority is Crit>DH>Piety instead of Crit>DH>Det. We're still just chasing the best stats. But at least now we aren't turning down items that are 20ilv upgrades.

I don't care what SE's vision is, a game should be made for the customers, not the devs. It's quite clear by now their vision isn't what the players enjoy. I'm also not really interested in baby steps either when buffing or deleting Piety isn't a resource demanding change like full reworks or changing the combat system. We've put up with it for multiple expansions already, it's about time they stopped messing around.

[vetch]

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that the ffxiv devs don't think healers should be doing decent damage.

Understanding what they think doesn't preclude believing they're wrong to think it. You can keep pointing out that they don't understand how 20% of their combat jobs work until the doctor calls your time of death, if you want to.

[Rilifane]

No, it's time they come to terms with the fact that they designed a role for a game that doesn't exist and they should make a decision which route they follow - one or the other, not both.

I don't get this obsession with making role-specific stats into utter crap stats that get avoided like the plague because they suck.
So what if Tenacity/ Piety would be more desirable for tanks and healers than Det because of their secondary benefits? Crit and DH will still eventually outclass it but now healers would have the freedom to adjust their GCD for better alignment with SpS because Piety would make up for the higher MP cost instead of having a stat that is 100% useless waste of space that does exactly nothing unless their group sucks.
It would give as more choices when gearing instead of "Does it have Piety? > Take the other piece".

Why should the usefulness of a stat depend on the group being bad?
The role as a whole already suffers enough from it, no need to make it worse.

[ASkellington]

Why should the usefulness of a stat depend on the group being bad?
The role as a whole already suffers enough from it, no need to make it worse.

I am joining the bandwagon of SE hates the healer role and wants us to just be there to make sure the favored role of DPS lives and nothing else. We aren't allowed to have fun or enjoy our role. We're just there to fill queues. sip tea emote

In all seriousness SE has 0 idea how healing works in an mmo, has 0 idea how to design classes or combat for the role. It shouldn't be a surprise that they don't know how to design or make a stat for the role either.

and yet pre-Shb SCH exists so what the hells went wrong there?

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

and yet pre-Shb SCH exists so what the hells went wrong there?

The game got huge success and began its path to casualization for the bunch of new bad players to enjoy it. It's the same pattern for all non pvp modern multiplayer game nowadays.