The Healer Double Standard

[Supersnow845]

Falling back to an ever-shrinking perimeter of where healers are allowed to be necessary is not a defense, it's a step away from giving up.

It’s literally just another way of saying “lol go play ultimate”,

Got a game people endlessly laude as being amazingly casual friendly and fun for everyone they sure do like to make healers completely irrelevant for all but the absolute most difficult content, but then again they are aiming for the “I spam cure 1 and love it (while the WAR heals himself and grounds his teeth into nubs over cure 1’s horrible sound effect)” audience so maybe irrelevant healer that feels like they are contributing without any actual chance of messing anything up is what they are going for

[Nizzi]

Can Savage be cleared Week 1 without healers? Has P3S been cleared without healers?

I think the fact that you're having to even ask the question instead of being confident in knowing that it cannot happen at all is reason enough to know there's a glaring fundamental problem with this rotting, dead role.

[RyuDragnier]

Remember back when auto attacks were the tankbusters? Remember when W2W pulling required the entire team to be good or it would fail with a party wipe? Remember when healers had to use everything including their GCD heals to avoid the party wiping? Emet-Selch remembers.

[Semirhage]

Oh look, they're buffing tanks even more and effectively removing healer threat generation.

The slow march toward healers having zero impact on a given instance remains unabated.

[RyuDragnier]

Oh look, they're buffing tanks even more and effectively removing healer threat generation.

The slow march toward healers having zero impact on a given instance remains unabated.

Except DRK, who still needs a healer since it can't heal itself.

[Rilifane]

Except DRK, who still needs a healer since it can't heal itself.

I can't speak for all leveling dungeons but at least in experts, the DRKs I had were completely fine without a healer in a 1 tank/ 3 dps run and I have seen them solo bosses down after the party died too. They're not the same healing powerhouses as WAR, PLD and to a lesser extend GNB but they aren't reliant on a healer in most content either. WAR takes the crown but it's not like the other tanks, not even DRK, are helpless without a healer.

[vetch]

Oh look, they're buffing tanks even more and effectively removing healer threat generation.

The slow march toward healers having zero impact on a given instance remains unabated.

R.I.P. my Eureka FATE cheese strategy. Guess I'll go back to getting silver credit when I can't get into a group.

[Supersnow845]

And on top of the changes the enmity SGE basically got holos changed to be pneuma 2.0

Did anyone ask for even more healing on any of the healers that just makes double shield and even more desirable comp

[HyonaCookie]

And on top of the changes the enmity SGE basically got holos changed to be pneuma 2.0

Did anyone ask for even more healing on any of the healers that just makes double shield and even more desirable comp

According to a friend of mine, it might have to do with SCH being taken into DSR more than SGE because it has more mit potential. Double shield comps are just an side effect of SE's choices.

[AnotherPerson]

And on top of the changes the enmity SGE basically got holos changed to be pneuma 2.0

Did anyone ask for even more healing on any of the healers that just makes double shield and even more desirable comp

Iirc, the complaint was that Holos was good, but as a shield healer, we were supposed to be shielding more than healing - so this doubles down to what our job actually does. SGE was also lacking a competition to SCH in some high-end content due to Crit Adloquium Deployment Tactics when you needed big raw shields as Eukrasian Prognosis is both weaker and has no comparison. For raw survival when mitigation buffs and debuffs are already applied to the boss, having bigger shields are generally more viable due to diminishing gains on Mitigations. Holos getting a shield effect is good. The side effect is just making double shield compositions more appealing - but that's not due to the synergy of shield healers, but rather the lack of high outgoing damage that requires 'pure' healing. Encounter design issue.

The enmity on healers is kind of... ??? when tanks are the only ones who manage enmity at this point anyway. The enmity reduction isn't going to matter unless both tanks are dead and your DPS is somehow losing to you in enmity (not fully utilizing their DPS toolkit).
I don't think healers actually had enmity to worry about, so most of those changes are just fluff for most PvE content --- the only exception would possibly be doing the new Variant/Criterion dungeons since we still have no clue the exact nature of how much enmity those places should generate if they were supposed to provide a challenge to healers. Though... I don't think it really matters in retrospect, but we'll have to see.