The Healer Double Standard

[Deceptus]

Imagine just have 1 dps button, 1 dot button, provoke, tank stance and the rest of your skills defensive CD, thats what the equivalent of what the devs are doing to the healers, we're not "rioting" because we want more dps, we are "rioting" because we want to have fun when we dps and a dumb 1 skill rotation doesn't deliver that at all.

Pretty much this, but with an AoE mixed in.

[Doozer]

Imagine just have 1 dps button, 1 dot button, provoke, tank stance and the rest of your skills defensive CD, thats what the equivalent of what the devs are doing to the healers, we're not "rioting" because we want more dps, we are "rioting" because we want to have fun when we dps and a dumb 1 skill rotation doesn't deliver that at all.

Funny that people are raving now that SCH is getting this when AST has had it literally the entire time. 1 DPS button, 1 DoT button, and one AoE. Were you crying at the beginning of HW because of that too, or only now because it affects your main job?

Also you're literally not arguing against anything I said. I said tanks benefit from the aggro generated from DPS, hence why it makes sense for them to still have it.

[Ilenya]

Also you're literally not arguing against anything I said. I said tanks benefit from the aggro generated from DPS, hence why it makes sense for them to still have it.

And I pointed out that they could just as easily change how enmity works, your point?

As to the first part, most of the healer DPS conversations are saying that healers should have more engaging DPS options. I was not aware AST would not fall under that.

[george357]

if i need to use a healer i will pick one that still works and wait for the others to get fixed.

[Shalan]

Funny that people are raving now that SCH is getting this when AST has had it literally the entire time. 1 DPS button, 1 DoT button, and one AoE. Were you crying at the beginning of HW because of that too, or only now because it affects your main job?

Also you're literally not arguing against anything I said. I said tanks benefit from the aggro generated from DPS, hence why it makes sense for them to still have it.

Heyo, AST main here.
I wouldn't wish my braindead DPS rotation on anyone, it's boring as hell and the only reason we weren't throwing fits back from HW was because the Card system we had to offset the boredom (which is now being gutted in terms of complexity). Leveling any healer 1-70 is going to be one of the most boring experiences this game has to offer now.

Can't wait for that those thrilling instanced story battles 211111111111 21111111111 21111111111 Oh how thrilling. Can't even escape the tedium by playing another healer for those story missions now because we're all the same.

[Gemina]

Funny that people are raving now that SCH is getting this when AST has had it literally the entire time. 1 DPS button, 1 DoT button, and one AoE. Were you crying at the beginning of HW because of that too, or only now because it affects your main job?

I wouldn't necessarily say "raving now". I would say raving again. They gutted SCH at the start of SB as well. They lost access to Blizzard 2, Miasma 2, Shadow Flare was changed from a spell on the GCD to an ability with a moderate CD, and Bane was given drop off damage based on number of targets. SCH's moaned and groaned then because SCH didn't even feel like SCH anymore. They eventually gave back Miasma II because SCH literally had no spammable AoE. Now it's even worse. Shadow Flare, Bane, Energy Drain, Miasma and Miasma II are now gone completely. It's things like this that have people arrive at the conclusion that the devs don't listen to their playerbase.

AST has always had the most boring offensive kit of the three healers, and this has been expressed loudly over the course of their time in Eorzea. Their kit was never a solution when it's always been a problem, but at least AST was able to keep themselves busy with a sophisticated card gimmick, which is now also pretty much gone.

Despite all of this, it's not even the biggest issue that is going on with healers. The biggest issue that is going on with healers is the devs themselves are either completely oblivious to them, or don't care. We all know this because they keep trying to fix what isn't even broken while ignoring the true issues healers are having. Someone over there is defending schite like Repose and Fluid Aura, while schite like the new card system and stripping healer jobs of their class roots is getting green-lighted.

Nobody likes their vision of 'pure healer'. We all knew that DPSing 90% of the encounter couldn't continue, but we don't want to heal for 90% of the encounter either. Most of us just want a nice mix of DPS and healing during combat that doesn't have us smashing the same button over and over again.

[Ayesafaile]

Funny that people are raving now that SCH is getting this when AST has had it literally the entire time. 1 DPS button, 1 DoT button, and one AoE. Were you crying at the beginning of HW because of that too, or only now because it affects your main job?

AST had 3 DoTs in Heavensward: Combust II, Combust and Aero. All three were worth using.

[Yulja]

Thank you for this Thread seriously!

Pruning the DPS kits since HW and now even worse because they just streamline it without other things to do(no more pet management, no more card management and WHM didn't have anything to begin with) is just horrible and we all complain for a very good reason. All kind of content player can complain because the DPS kit is always streamlined no matter your level.

But seeing what Yoshida says and that no healer dev is saying anything or atleast any CM(is there even any CM? sorry I started using this Forum since the changes) worries me a lot. Does SE know about the healer role? Do they know the issues for the community? For example the Utility gap between WHM and SCH/AST? Do they know that they playerbase liked DPSing because either it for skill capping or there is no heal needed?
It feels like there are no particular healer devs because why is always Yoshida talking and why is he never talking about the issues from the community?
Didn't he say that WHM will be different from SB? Where? The Lily System is maybe a bit better but it is waiting instead of doing anything. That is not considered engaging at all right? And where is the Utility buff? Why is Trick Shot still there from NIN but other things are gone because of "synergy"(crit buff from BRD for example)?

I am really confused about SE and about what Yoshida is saying right now and it seems like that a lot of healers are confused and angry because healers are not treated respectfully!

I really hope that they will change things back or atleast change them somehow, for example Aero 3 for all Healers or w/e. They should also start talking to the healers, especially the devs which they never did even though WHMs had issues.

[Dogempire]

Funny that people are raving now that SCH is getting this when AST has had it literally the entire time. 1 DPS button, 1 DoT button, and one AoE. Were you crying at the beginning of HW because of that too, or only now because it affects your main job?

Also you're literally not arguing against anything I said. I said tanks benefit from the aggro generated from DPS, hence why it makes sense for them to still have it.

Except the flaw in your argument is that SCH isn't AST.

Nobody plays SCH because they want to spam 2 buttons, that's why you choose to main WHM or AST. By your logic should we also not get mad if we give black mage no casting penalty for movement? I mean MCHs and BRDs have been mobile literally the entire time.

[Hatstand]

Except the flaw in your argument is that SCH isn't AST.

Nobody plays SCH because they want to spam 2 buttons, that's why you choose to main WHM or AST. By your logic should we also not get mad if we give black mage no casting penalty for movement? I mean MCHs and BRDs have been mobile literally the entire time.

Also, AST had the cards to play with.

Also, I really wish (although I understand it's never happen) that the deva would tie dps into healing. Like by having the lily vague fillbased on a combination of time passed and damage dealt, so dpsing would also help you heal better directly. (It already helps indirectly because the quicker something dies the less damage it does). That way we could stop this stupid argument of "past design choices mean healers should be more boring".