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    Gaethan_Tessula's Avatar
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    Gaethan Tessula
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahati View Post
    The bottom line is we are playing FFXIV and the healer role is intended by the team who makes this game to focus on healing with some scant DPS skills tossed in. As we can see from the upcoming expansion and decisions made for healing classes, that is still the case.
    If that's their intent, I sure wish they designed fights to actually fulfill that intent. The hardest content in this game has healing uptime less than 50% of the time. All other content has even less. That means short of durdling around doing nothing at all, we're throwing rocks more often than we heal in every fight ever made for FF14. If it's going to be that way, it's not too much to ask that throwing those rocks be made interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bahati View Post
    If anyone is playing the role wrong, it's healers who think pushing their minute DPS is a priority. RDM might be a better fit for this type of player rather than complaining about a role designed in a way they don't like. It is what it is.
    Both healers DPS'ing just about equals an additional DPS in most fights. That's not "minute." In AoE situations the impact of healer DPS is even larger.

    As someone who plays RDM and has been utterly disappointed by its lack of healing and support options, how it's essentially BLM lite with a raise, I can guarentee you RDM is not going to do it for people who want to switch hit healing and damage dealing.

    And that's you making a big assumption about what people actually want. A lot of us would be happy if the game actually required more and more complicated healer playlines. But because it doesn't, and Square Enix doesn't even seem to realize that it doesn't and therefore doesn't change it, we're asking for the job to remain engaging even if that need be through DPS or support abilities.

    A DoT, a rock, and nothing to actually heal makes Gaethan a dull boy.
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    Kurei Hitaka
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    If you're not healing, cure dots.

    If there's no dots to be cured, check if people need healing.

    If there's still no healing needed, press the dps buttons you have.

    White mage has literally not changed from this in any regard. Nor have the other two healers. Yes, we lost some support abilities. Yes, we lost a few field control techniques.

    No, we are not completely useless if not healing. We're just most likely not capable of pulling 20% ahead of the second or third best dps in a party anymore, either.
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    Tehryn Alexandyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Have you read this thread?

    Almost none of it is constructive.
    Then why are you still here? I can only surmise that you enjoy argument for the sake of argument. If constructive discussion is what you crave then act like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiznypKC View Post
    Then why are you still here? I can only surmise that you enjoy argument for the sake of argument. If constructive discussion is what you crave then act like it.
    Poke holes, ask questions, get a broader perspective, mostly.

    And poking the occasional "Miasma is good" hornet nest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Poke holes, ask questions, get a broader perspective, mostly.

    And poking the occasional "Miasma is good" hornet nest.
    That was rhetorical. Nevertheless, you’re clearly not interested in learning why people are upset and are only here for your own entertainment.

    Peace. ✌
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiznypKC View Post
    That was rhetorical. Nevertheless, you’re clearly not interested in learning why people are upset and are only here for your own entertainment.

    Peace. ✌
    I understand quite clearly why people are upset. Some of them I even agree with.

    See ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalan View Post
    I spent a bit scouring the four major interviews with YoshiP following the media tour and release of role-action information, and out of roughly 223 questions there were 92 question related to roles/classes.

    Of those 92 questions, only 3 were focused on healers. And they all came from a single interview.

    Now, this may be somewhat set off balance by the introduction of a new tanking/DPS job. But having an entire role that's undergoing some hefty changes and was already in something of an uproar/fervor over the lack of information following the Fan-Fests and previous live letters, having only 3.26% of your role questions being healer oriented is insufficient. In fact, some interviews went out of their way to avoid addressing healers ("As for the job balance, setting aside healers...") in favour of other roles.
    Simply put, we've been left largely in the dark to stew over the changes with little official statements on our concerns, and that's not something you want to have happen with your consumers.
    Absolutely pathetic. (emphasis mine)
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Gunther Frey
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    Miasma is redundant and Art of War is better in concept then Miasma II.

    Also Combust III is the best AST animation, the little wrist flick they do l is sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
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    I meant to say “spot on,” but the text didn’t take. lol
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