The Healer Double Standard

[althenawhm]

Fluid Aura has indeed been given a range on it.
Removal of some of the role action skills hurt WHM because a lot of them where WHM's to begin with.
All the healers had their DPS rotation nerfed going into Stormblood with the change to the cross class skills and the change to the way we got new skills.

[Brandedblade]

There are several games where healers have interesting kits that don't dumb down the job itself.... all these changes do is dumb down the jobs we played without truly adding anything of substance... this game also requires you to damage if your going through MSQ as the role (which is going to be role locked this time around... which if Im understanding it correctly you have to choose a job to do the Shadowbringer MSQ as and continue it as that. Given how instances play, well let's just say things are sillier by gutting the job the way they did.

Oh and for the record most games that require healers to almost exclusively heal to not handle damage the way this game has... and for anyone thinking there truly going to adjust that for Shadowbringers... you might see a small (and I do mean small) adjustment to damage.. but this game has been built to attract casuals so why anyone thinks there going to make the game "harder" for one role is beyond my ability to think.

My understanding is that you give healers a basic dps kit so they can drop it at any given time to heal people. But I'm gonna be honest, I'm not interested in arguing anything related to the word casual. Not every game is going to cater to every one.

[fantasticm]

off the top of my head WHM lost aero 1, the potency on fluid aura, and cleric stance going from hw to sb. I wouldn't call losing a mobility tool, an ogcd, and a busy work button being gutted.

Nah bro, they lost a massive amount of personal skills to the cross role system or just out and out deleted. WHM does not have enough left to be truly gutted again.

The only way I think they could do that now is if they deleted Cure 2/Medica with the intention of the Afflatus skills replacing them (without changing the level requirements, of course). Actually, I can see this happening now. It would be in line with how SE adjusts WHM each expansion.

[althenawhm]

Real talk, I would not mind losing Medica 1, we would still have 3 GCD AoE heals left over.
4 AoE GCD heals is just way too much.

[fantasticm]

Real talk, I would not mind losing Medica 1, we would still have 3 GCD AoE heals left over.
4 AoE GCD heals is just way too much.

Yeah but then WHM would have nothing to heal AoE damage at lower levels. It has a purpose. A wise man would simply change the spell with a trait at higher levels. But there are no wise men adjusting healers, so losing it only to gain it again at level 86 or whenever the heck would serve no purpose other than to kick a job that's already down. All of this evidenced in the return of Divine Seal at level eighty. Eighty (80)!

[Siccoroa]

Nah bro, they lost a massive amount of personal skills to the cross role system or just out and out deleted. WHM does not have enough left to be truly gutted again.

The only way I think they could do that now is if they deleted Cure 2/Medica with the intention of the Afflatus skills replacing them (without changing the level requirements, of course). Actually, I can see this happening now. It would be in line with how SE adjusts WHM each expansion.

If you still have access to the skills can you really say its been gutted?

[fantasticm]

If you still have access to the skills can you really say its been gutted?

Yes. Even more so now, considering most of them are going away for good.

[althenawhm]

If you still have access to the skills can you really say its been gutted?

Protect? Gone
Stone 1 into Break? Gone
Divine Seal into Largesse? Gone

Not that I miss having break or a heavy on stone 1 or anything.

[Brandedblade]

Protect? Gone
Stone 1 into Break? Gone
Divine Seal into Largesse? Gone

Not that I miss having break or a heavy on stone 1 or anything.

Incredibly weak maintenance buff? Gone
Crowd control no ones used since A3 back in heavensward? Gone
Healing Potency buff? Still here just prettier. Now also mitigates damage.

[althenawhm]

How dare you say Divine Seal is still there?
I dont want to reach level 80 and be rewarded with a skill I already had in ARR!
Its just straight insulting.