The Healer Double Standard

[Yuyuka3]

To all those "I'm a healer, I shouldn't have to DPS!"-healers out there.
One of the very earliest CNJ quests, I think it was the level 15 one(?), outright told you that your job as a healer is not merely filling up HP-bars mindlessly - it is also about knowing when to heal at all, and when it's fine to do other things. Since that other things is, in most cases, DPS... no matter what the devs try to tell us now, they quite literally told us "hey, it's not cool to stand around idly, you really should do something with your time if there's nobody to heal" ever since ARR.

Also, to those refusing to deal damage in dungeons, especially as WHM. Remember that Holy has a pretty neat stun attached to it. So, by DPSing, you are actively protecting the tank from taking damage; damage you would otherwise need to heal up. So stating that it's your job to heal is kinda superfluous if by DPSing instead, you would not only make things faster, but also, at the same time, protect your group from taking damage in the first place. Food for thought.

Get your heads together consolidate make one thread with constructive feedback once things go live otherwise it's just bashing your head on the wall over and over again. Maybe I dont know start the consolidated thread with exactly WHY it's so boring to heal and try to work out how to make the bit more exciting then how to pick back up the dps buttons etc.etc.

Right, good idea. I mean, the Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread we had for Stormblood helped a lot with telling the devs what we needed back then! Wait... no, it didn't. It was just over 350 pages worth of posts wasted.

[Deceptus]

Right, good idea. I mean, the Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread we had for Stormblood helped a lot with telling the devs what we needed back then! Wait... no, it didn't. It was just over 350 pages worth of posts wasted.

What kills me the most about those massive response threads is how an SE rep never even shows up to say, "Hey, we see you have some concerns and here's what we're planning to do" or "Here's is our thought process on why we did that"

Just doing that would help alleviate a lot of problems.

[DiznypKC]

righteo like I've always said if you don't like the changes either quit playing it, adapt ,or do something else. Complaining doesn't do anything until logical solutions are offered and submitted forward. And no buffing things like a blanket or restoring SCH to what it was or is at now is not the solution

So basically you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.

Without Initial discontent, a logical solution cannot be offered up in the first place. Why would anyone feel something needed to be fixed unless there was a call for it? Ergo, our “complaining” could potentially fuel a vehicle for change in the game that we enjoy playing.

What doesn’t help is when you expect a generous portion of the player base to remain quiet when the fun is being sucked out of their role because the developers feel the players are not playing the game how THEY expect them to play it. That’s not progression but regression. Complacency can be just as bad as complaining.

[kidalutz]

So basically you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.

Without Initial discontent, a logical solution cannot be offered up in the first place. Why would anyone feel something needed to be fixed unless there was a call for it? Ergo, our “complaining” could potentially fuel a vehicle for change in the game that we enjoy playing.

What doesn’t help is when you expect a generous portion of the player base to remain quiet when the fun is being sucked out of their role because the developers feel the players are not playing the game how THEY expect them to play it. That’s not progression but regression. Complacency can be just as bad as complaining.

Complain when you've actually seen whether or not its warranted i.e. release if it is then complain. There 10+ threads of complaints about healer changes instead of one solidified codex to look over and its ALL from the same group. Not a single real solution has been submitted forward because not a one has actual gameplay data. and its always the same complaint they took away my DPS rotation down to two buttons.

Come up with a solution that lets you keep your rotations without making your chosen class the META class for use. I certainly cant think of one and I doubt anyone else can either.

[reyre]

Complain when you've actually seen whether or not its warranted i.e. release if it is then complain. There 10+ threads of complaints about healer changes instead of one solidified codex to look over and its ALL from the same group. Not a single real solution has been submitted forward because not a one has actual gameplay data. and its always the same complaint they took away my DPS rotation down to two buttons.

Come up with a solution that lets you keep your rotations without making your chosen class the META class for use. I certainly cant think of one and I doubt anyone else can either.

That is a lie, there are plenty of treads that have proposed solutions and ideas that are viable, that you cant think of one doesnt mean others are the same, dont measure others by your own low standards.

[kidalutz]

That is a lie, there are plenty of treads that have proposed solutions and ideas that are viable, that you cant think of one doesnt mean others are the same, dont measure others by your own low standards.

and all of them would have made the class META

[reyre]

and all of them would have made the class META

Wait you are accepting, that there are other treads that are proposing a solution, not only that but you yourself said that you cant think of an idea that is viable and doesnt make the class "META", yet you somehow are able to determine if the ideas that others are proposing will make the class "META". I have to ask, how are you able to determine that?

[Sebazy]

and all of them would have made the class META

You know what's more important than being META?

Being able to hit more than a 60% active rate in trash content.

It's almost like a meme at this stage. Yeesh.

[Endeleon]

Come up with a solution that lets you keep your rotations without making your chosen class the META class for use.

Ohhh. Ohhh ok now I see. You are a salty AST main who wants AST to be the meta go to... lol k.

[DiznypKC]

Complain when you've actually seen whether or not its warranted i.e. release if it is then complain. There 10+ threads of complaints about healer changes instead of one solidified codex to look over and its ALL from the same group. Not a single real solution has been submitted forward because not a one has actual gameplay data. and its always the same complaint they took away my DPS rotation down to two buttons.

Come up with a solution that lets you keep your rotations without making your chosen class the META class for use. I certainly cant think of one and I doubt anyone else can either.

You could read nearly any of my other comments on various healer threads. I have offered up helpful solutions to the problem.

Basically, healers are only half a job if they don’t have a fully idealized DPS kit. If you were only able to queue for Duties as a healer, and didn’t need to progress through solo-able content via the MSQ, AND the incoming damage was radically increased and unpredictable, then these changes are warranted and will work.

For more ideas, please refer to my other posts.

As many people have said, over and over again, we’ve seen launches of expansions and the aftermath before. We’re not talking without any sort of past experience or precedent to pull from. This has literally happened both expansions. Many of us are capable of looking at the changes and making the rational conclusion that our jobs will no longer be as engaging as they are now. Period. That is fact.

You keep telling me to wait and see, and I keep telling you that I’ve seen it before. So have many other people. I guarantee you a large sect of the healer population is going to be bored AF upon release of Shadowbringers. They may up the damage slightly but that will all change once we gear up. That’s how this game has gone expac after expac.