WoW this, WoW that: Why are FFXIV forum users so obsessed with WoW refugees?

[Naoki34]

As a GW2 refugee (yes we exist), i don't understand all this hate for WoW refugees.

Is it just as a scapegoat? Do you find it that hard to believe FFXIV could have its own toxic players?

We've had WoW refugees in GW2 since a long time and GW2's community was never "WoW toxic, GW2 good", instead, they always welcomed them and sometimes even went as far as gifting them an expansion.

I've met a bunch of "WoW refugees" in FFXIV and they are actually funny and down-to-earth people. Obviously, experiences can vary for everyone, but i feel like all this hate is unwarranted from the so-called and proclaimed "nicest MMO community".

Also accurate:
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Because peoples need scapegoat.

[dapperfaffer]

Day is nearly at end, nothing good in tv and Fate pop takes ages. Thats why ppl look for another activity and to be honest i didnt have met even 1 WoW refugee on Ragnarok. Yes there are some ppl here and there that have played the game, i also did but none of them acts like the ppl described in the other thread. Also i the number of rly toxic players i met since i started to play this game i can count on with one hand and i started with 1.0.

@Above WoW was released 2004, Heavensward 2015 that makes 11 years not 14.

Thats because WoWs Ragnarok server is a Brazilian server where the majority of players on it play aren't very good at WoW. I would imagine that most people see the server Ragnarok and just subconsciously avoid it.

[Seoulstar]

This IS one of the nicest MMO communities...and it needs to stay that way. WoW players are different from what lurks on their forums. The WoW forum community is trash. Yes, I said trash. One of the main reasons I left WoW after 13 years was the awful community.

And no, this community is nothing like that.

While it is one of the nicest communities I have come across. That does not mean it's perfect. Just mention a healer dpsing or some other things and you will get some of the most toxic people you'll find. I've seen extremely toxic people while PvPing and even doing the 24 man fights. Looking at the current posts especially with us healers debating with each other and toxic posts can be found as well.

[Beatrice]

As a GW2 refugee (yes we exist), i don't understand all this hate for WoW refugees.

Is it just as a scapegoat? Do you find it that hard to believe FFXIV could have its own toxic players?

Some of the coolest, nicest people I've met online were people who I played WoW with before I discovered FF14.

Some of the nastiest, pettiest people I've met online were people from Final Fantasy 14.

This community is not nearly as nice as they like to think they are. And WoW's community isn't nearly as bad as people try to present it. In fact, I find both communities have a lot more in common than they'd like to admit.

[Kaedan]

Years ago WoW's 12 million sub number was actually legit during Wrath of the Lich King. It started going down with the next expansion, Cataclysm. In Mists of Pandaria it was back and forth for the most part but there was still a slight decline overall. They reported sub numbers up until mid Warlords of Draenor (the expansion after Mists of Pandaria) which actually started with 10 million subs...but then it got so bad (losing half the player base in 6 months bad) that they chose not to report them ever again.

No, it was not legit. The number they gave was NOT active subs, even though they wanted you to believe it was.

Also, Blizzard was including China, which heavily skewed the numbers.

[Taebok]

First 20 pages of GD have 4 posts with WoW in the subject.
4 posts out of 400.
That's 1%.
Is someone in need of a little attention today?

[Makeda]

As a GW2 refugee (yes we exist), i don't understand all this hate for WoW refugees.

WoW is famous for it's bad community...

WoW is also very well known for having players that have only ever played WoW and don't even play other games. FFXIV is kinda the opposite in that most people here at least also played other FF titles (I am in the minority here in that this is the only FF title I have played).

WoW and FFXIV have extremely similar game engines. Both are known for having a trinity-based role system (though arguably that it not fully deserved here, the 3 roles in FFXIV are DPS, DPS with enmity, DPS with bandages)...
- So WoW players will come here, see what it has, and bring expectations that they won't bring to GW2 or ESO... (Though ESO also has the same trinity as FFXIV; 3 flavors of DPS - EVERYTHING else about ESO is radically different).

If things keep going the way they are going over in WoW, WoW refugees here will soon outnumber anyone who joined here before BfA (because if you include people who have been playing for longer but are also former WoW players, then you already have maybe 90-99% of people here anyway).

That said... in game I have not seen any hostility towards WoW refugees. Rather a welcoming. It's good to know the game here is growing... and stands to grow by major leaps if the trend continues. And I think WoW encourages it's toxic community - it's not a natural character of the players themselves... Remember that in 2011 (or 2010 or so), Blizzard actually put a gay-bashing guy onto the stage at Blizzcon who encouraged WoW -players- to get into factional fights, and several people actually were then assaulted at the convention...
- You'd never see SE do that. You'd never see 99% of companies do that... it was just... a seriously weird moment. It took a month of pressure to get the company to even acknowledge in a sort of 'it's your fault for being wimps that got beat up' nopology...

The players themselves, once you pull them out of that cesspool and they get a moment to breath some fresh air, turn out to be normal people. So it's great to have them.

After all... most of us actually are WoW refugees from one era or another... and many have gone back and forth... so people know that... you can get over WoW and it's way of behaving... once you step out of the basement.

[Makeda]

No, it was not legit. The number they gave was NOT active subs, even though they wanted you to believe it was.

Also, Blizzard was including China, which heavily skewed the numbers.

This is true. If we include WoW-China, then we need to compare it against other Chinese MMOs, some of which had populations ov 20-30 million up until a maybe 2017 when... they got even bigger by switching to mobile...

If you do NOT include WoW-China... then it's maybe about the same size as Guild Wars 2... Almost surely smaller than even FFXIV NA/EU, and notably smaller than ESO.

That said, if you include FFXIV-JP, then I am not sure if you compare that against WoW-China or WoW-US/EU... because I'm not sure what servers WoW-JP players are grouped onto, if any. And not sure if players in China can access any form of FFXIV.

But WoW-US/EU is only a small fraction of WoW's numbers.
- So while WoW players leaving WoW for here would give this place a big boost, it's probably not as much of a boost as my post right above this one hinted at.

[Makeda]

This IS one of the nicest MMO communities...and it needs to stay that way. WoW players are different from what lurks on their forums. The WoW forum community is trash. Yes, I said trash. One of the main reasons I left WoW after 13 years was the awful community.

And no, this community is nothing like that.

Ehh... While I'm not gonna say if other fanbases are trash or not.. I will say are we any better? Really? I've been here long enough to see some insane horible sh-t here.

I've been subject to exactly 1 racist comment playing FFXIV. I reported it and a community manager actually messaged me and thanked me for providing a time stamp with my log.

I used to be subject to such comments multiple times per day in WoW. Pretty much anytime I had the 'general' or 'trade' chat windows open, there was something being said against black, brown, or yellow people, and if not that, folks were gay-bashing, and if not that, women-bashing...
- and nobody every responded to any report I ever made, and the names of people who I'd reported kept showing up in those channels, strongly implying my report was filed until /dev/null...


I'm sure there are toxic players here. But somehow I don't run into them every single time I log in... and for me, that says something good about this community.

As I noted above though... remove a WoW player from that environment, give them a moment to get some fresh air and clear their head, and they become normal people again... After seeing what happened with Corpsegrinder at Blizzcon, I'm convinced the WoW devs actually foster that toxicity in a misguided belief that it amps up the excitement of their faction split dynamic...

[DonovanLifeweaver]

being in ff14 since ARR, i played wow up to the start of cata, and eso from 1.2 up to 2-3 months ago...

ff14 has always been challenging, apply strat or wipe.

i played wow for years. It never was hard, always getting easyer by the day and even more easyer with every contents added. Same for eso, a healer pushing 34k dps with 1 heal skill..... they leave because the game requires always more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more..... did i mention those 2 games always ask for more and more and more and more and more and more and more ... mroe more more more more more more more more more more more dps up to a point where the game its just loathsome and toxic to the point where you cant complete content ( as in quests related to dungeons quests) if you dont push 30k as a healer and 50-60k as a dps for eso and in wow you can push that number around from 20k( tank) to 34k dps and roughly 9-12k dps for the top of the ladder healer classes.

now they leave their games, eso and wow... move over to FF14 and they start complaining because the combat mechanic, the dps system, the healing, the dps the tanking and the dps systems and strats are not like wow or eso...
Then SE makes the game easyer to accomodate their wowness and esoness... but its not enough ... more complaining its still too hard the healers dont dps like in wow and eso.... so more easy added to the game and more players come because the game is starting to be like wow and eso. So more people come and complain that its still too hard and that classes and so on are not like in wow and eso..... seen it with step of faith getting a nerf bat in 2.57 because new players didnt want to apply start, because item level//gear score > strat and common sense.
SE even added echo to ease the fight in trials and raids as if those are not easy enough WHEN YOU APPLY THE STRAT ( sry to break the bubble but hard mode titan at item level 70 no wipe and extreme titan at 90 no wipe is doable without echo) and it wasnt enough... the game was still too hard and they made content more and more easy to help this new generation.

recent time. we now have toxic players, those who are not casual( wow and eso weaksauce)but are still thriving to get a challenge out of the game without being hardcore about the game as well and that are priorising their class roles rather than pleasing the dps race theme of the new generation of players ( wow and eso weaksauces). include in toxic type of players: thinking outside the box, wanting to apply strat, asking for strat, and those asking if everyone remembers or knows the strat in order to be of help and not wanting to spend the night chain wiping on something that should no one shoudl be wiping on.


from experience, having dropped 2 fc and got kicked out of one for standing my ground on the use of healers heal before dpsing.....i wont mind landing my dots and throwing a stone when there is nothing to do but..... sadly not pushing 503948 tetragazbillion dps as a white mage does seem to offend alot of dpsers that relies solely on the healers to make the dps check for the entire raid force..... and i have seen my fair share of: man this game need to be more like wow....

By the way wow and eso are nothing more than a dps race and ff14 definitly needs to turn its back on the wow and eso style of gameplay

[edit] also complaints on the part of wow and eso players: ff14 needs to adopt the eso( buy to pay for dlc every 3 weeks and wow sub mode aka become a rmt and play freely by buying game time with golds..... this also is to be included in the toxic player base: if you want the game to remain pay per month you are toxic.

[2nd edit] if oyu complain so much that ff14 is nothing like wow and eso... why did you runaways fled from wow and eso in the first place?!?!? if it's to repeat what caused you to "flee" those games why the hell do you want to see that same thing you fled to reappear in ff14?