WoW this, WoW that: Why are FFXIV forum users so obsessed with WoW refugees?

[Vahlnir]

The toxicity in WoW is usually just rudeness in general, a lot of the time by younger people.

The toxicity in FFXIV on the other hand is malignant with deliberate precision and the most toxic players are the ones I label "confucianists" based on their belief in a fixed social hierarchy that must not be upset. If you don't prostrate yourself before these self proclaimed mentors with Jesus complex you will know true toxicity, believe me.

WoW doesn't even have anything remotely similar to the confucianists and their toxicity.

The same type of people that exist in FF XIV exist everywhere else on the internet, including WoW, and mentor status has little to do with it. I've seen way more salt thrown at mentors trying to help than mentors throwing their own. There are good and bad mentors, but some people like to lump them all together which isn't quite fair. It is THAT mentality which caused me to remove my crown, though I still try to help if and when I can. But...this thread isn't about mentors, it is about something else entirely.

If there are a lot of people coming over from WoW, it is as I said earlier in this thread, no one would be able to tell. People are going to be people no matter where they are or what they're doing. That said, a bigger population also increases the chances of running into jerks. There isn't any denying that. They just stand out more from the rest of the crowd while the rest quietly takes their place among the rest of the population.

That also said, I have noticed that some people in this game seem to have a superiority complex when it comes to FF XIV and WoW, in that they believe their game is superior in each and every way and they can't come up with any reasons other than "FF XIV looks pretty, WoW looks like crap. That's why!" Meanwhile, WoW players are currently like "this game sucks right now, go play FF XIV. It's actually fun." A game can be pretty, or it can be ugly, but the game play is what matters at the end of the day imo.

[Coatl]

The refugees will go back when Thrall goes back.

[Vahlnir]

The refugees will go back when Thrall goes back.

Not I. WoW is in a terrible state right now. The latest expansion finally broke my addiction to it. As a result I have learned to appreciate the work the FF XIV devs do more, even if I may not always agree with the decisions being made.

[Odstarva]

What's a WoW refugee?

I guess I'm a For Honor refugee, a Mordhau tourist, a Mortal Kombat guest, a Final Fantasy 13 survivor...



It's literally just people that played another video-game and are now choosing this one.
What's with the special treatment?

[van_arn]

I'm always fascinated by the number of people in this game obsessed with how something is said, rather than what is being said.

As if how something is said has any relation to the quality of advice whatsoever.

[AxlStream]

I'm always fascinated by the number of people in this game obsessed with how something is said, rather than what is being said.

As if how something is said has any relation to the quality of advice whatsoever.

Didn't you get the memo? This is the era of container over contents.

[StarRosie]

I'm always fascinated by the number of people in this game obsessed with how something is said, rather than what is being said.

As if how something is said has any relation to the quality of advice whatsoever.

Didn't you get the memo? This is the era of container over contents.

And I am fascinated by the number of people who make broad sweeping generalizations of the player base while trying to peacock about.

But hey, different strokes for different folks I guess.

[van_arn]

I'm fascinated by the lack of understanding that a person's phrasing when giving advice can reveal them to be an unlikable person.

Seriously, do you expect someone to give you a pass on toxic behavior just because your advice was valid? Because no self-respecting person will. If you want people to like you, don't be prick, it's pretty simple. And if you don't care about people liking you or not, then why even make a post about people's reactions to your toxic way of giving advice?

Can get plenty of people to like you by being honest, prick or no. Toxicity has nothing to do with it, and the people that just plug their ears and are physically unable to comprehend anything that isn't sugarcoated are the toxic "you don't pay my sub" types.

These forums over-emphasize phrasing to the detriment of what is more important: communication.

If you can't take advice unless it's presented in the most cautiously worded faux-friendliness, maybe you have other problems more pressing than how something is worded.

These forums conflate honesty with toxicity to a laughable degree. Not everybody has to be your friend, but if they're honest with you thank them for at least saying something.

[TMW001]

Not I. WoW is in a terrible state right now. The latest expansion finally broke my addiction to it. As a result I have learned to appreciate the work the FF XIV devs do more, even if I may not always agree with the decisions being made.

I'm in the same boat I just don't see myself going back to WOW unless things turn around at least FFXIV has a better story to keep my attention and feels a lot less of a grind too and yes I know MMo's are suppose to be a grind but WOW just seems to double down on it now since Legion.

[StarRosie]

the people that just plug their ears and are physically unable to comprehend anything that isn't sugarcoated are the toxic "you don't pay my sub" types.

Oh the sweet, sweet lack of self awareness in this bit right here. It actually makes me chuckle. Thanks.