AST: Card rework alternative

[CorbinDallas]

No, im willingly, and knowingly playing with ALL of the tools im given to use. And had a hell of a fun time doing it.

And im upset that that 'fun' system that actually set Astro's apart from being a WHM with a pocket full of Braised Pipira's, has been removed to appease a minority % of the playerbase.

I mean, I've clearly explained why AST > WHM even without cards taken into consideration, so keep ignoring that I guess and keep preaching about your useless cards, I'm obviously not going to change your mind.

[Rahspdoy]

I mean, I've clearly explained why AST > WHM even without cards taken into consideration, so keep ignoring that I guess and keep preaching about your useless cards, I'm obviously not going to change your mind.

Because they have an ever so slightly different DPS set of skills to use?

Because they have shields that conflict with Scholar ones?

Because they have Regen's that conflict with WHM ones?

Aside from having the now 'on call' Food buff, and nothing else to offer, There's not a whole lot the Asto has that either a WHM or Scholar couldn't replace.

[CorbinDallas]

Because they have an ever so slightly different DPS set of skills to use?

Because they have shields that conflict with Scholar ones?

Because they have Regen's that conflict with WHM ones?

Aside from having the now 'on call' Food buff, and nothing else to offer, There's not a whole lot the Asto has that either a WHM or Scholar couldn't replace.

Tell me what WHM has that can seriously compete with Earthly Star. Tell me what WHM has in terms of AoE shielding compared to an AST in either sect. Tell me what damaging utility WHM has. Tell me what WHM will have to compete with two charges of Essential Dignity.

Go ahead, keep preaching that without cards, the 2 jobs are equal. Myself and other people who actually know how all 3 healers work will continue to laugh at you.

[EaMett]

Tell me what WHM has that can seriously compete with Earthly Star. Tell me what WHM has in terms of AoE shielding compared to an AST in either sect. Tell me what damaging utility WHM has. Tell me what WHM will have to compete with two charges of Essential Dignity.

Go ahead, keep preaching that without cards, the 2 jobs are equal. Myself and other people who actually know how all 3 healers work will continue to laugh at you.

Looks like infinite mana. And probably (ironically) more dps. That's it, that's all I got. I tried at least. Sorry for your loss

[CorbinDallas]

Looks like infinite mana. And probably (ironically) more dps. That's it, that's all I got. I tried at least. Sorry for your loss

Afflatus whatever-it-is requires 3 GCDs to charge, that's 3 Glares gone down, for a (tentative) 900 potency nuke which takes 1:30 to recharge. Add to that the loss of Aero 3 and I don't see any significant change to WHM DPS outside of dungeon trash pulls. Sorry for your loss.

[Rahspdoy]

Tell me what WHM has that can seriously compete with Earthly Star.

An AOE heal that requires the person stand at that specific point while trying to dodge AOE's from mobs? That has the small bonus of doing aoe damage? To be honest, i hardly use it anywhere except for boss encounters or before the 'ultimate' attack of a Eikon fight. While it 'might' be useful some of the time, its not really useful 'all' of the time. The AOE heal can be done by any of the healers, and all of them have AOE damage skills as well. Only difference is ES is fixed in one point.

Tell me what WHM has in terms of AoE shielding compared to an AST in either sect.

WHM's dont have shields. But Scholars do. As for AOE regens? Medica 3.

Tell me what damaging utility WHM has.

1 Direct damage spell, 1 dot, 1 aoe. The same as Astro. Oh, and that new black lily spell you get thats a single-target DD spell i think? (or is it aoe?)

Tell me what WHM will have to compete with [B]two charges of Essential Dignity

Plenary Indulgence + Thin Air + Cure 2 / Cure 3 spam

Not to mention Afflatus Solace that can be used as many times as you have lilies to cast it.

[CorbinDallas]

An AOE heal that requires the person stand at that specific point while trying to dodge AOE's from mobs? That has the small bonus of doing aoe damage? To be honest, i hardly use it anywhere except for boss encounters or before the 'ultimate' attack of a Eikon fight. While it 'might' be useful some of the time, its not really useful 'all' of the time. The AOE heal can be done by any of the healers, and all of them have AOE damage skills as well. Only difference is ES is fixed in one point.



WHM's dont have shields. But Scholars do. As for AOE regens? Medica 3.



1 Direct damage spell, 1 dot, 1 aoe. The same as Astro. Oh, and that new black lily spell you get thats a single-target DD spell i think? (or is it aoe?)



Plenary Indulgence + Thin Air + Cure 2 spam

Not to mention Afflatus Solace that can be used as many times as you have lilies to cast it.

Medica 3, you mean 2? Cure 2 spam? OK, now I know you're trolling. Yes, sit there hard casting all these GCD heals, while an AST can do it all off globally weaved in between Malefic casts.

Earthly is possibly the best heal in the game right now, if you can't use it properly that's on you. Learn the fights and when to place it, and it completely negates the need to do any other healing.

[Rahspdoy]

Yes, sit there hard casting all these GCD heals, while an AST can do it all off globally weaved in between Malefic casts.

And while your single-mindedly focused on the oh-so-meaningful DPS spam of a healer that is the 1 and only thing you like about the Astro change because the one and only buff you 'want' is the one and only buff they now have, You completely ignored that when asked what could compete with 2 charges of Essential Dignity, i replied with the truth that WHMs get 3... or is it 4? uses of a spell with almost 300 more potency with Afflatus Solas. (unless you plan to ONLY use Essential Dignity when your tank is down to 5hp which is likely what it'd take for it to reach the 700 potency of AS)

And whats not to like about being able to spam Cure 2 and/or Cure 3 freely, for 0 mana-cost 5 times while granting Confession to everyone if you use Cure 3 instead of Cure 2? If an Astro tried using their best heals 5 times in a row they'd be starved for mana.

Continue to try to defend the fact that the one and only reason you 'like' the Astro change is because you want the Direct Damage buff it has. Nothing else. The Damage buff. A buff you can get with a food item that last 60 full minutes and persists beyond deaths.

[CorbinDallas]

And while your single-mindedly focused on the oh-so-meaningful DPS spam of a healer that is the 1 and only thing you like about the Astro change because the one and only buff you 'want' is the one and only buff they now have, You completely ignored that when asked what could compete with 2 charges of Essential Dignity, i replied with the truth that WHMs get 3... or is it 4? uses of a spell with almost 300 more potency with Afflatus Solas. (unless you plan to ONLY use Essential Dignity when your tank is down to 5hp which is likely what it'd take for it to reach the 700 potency of AS)

And whats not to like about being able to spam Cure 2 and/or Cure 3 freely, for 0 mana-cost 5 times while granting Confession to everyone if you use Cure 3 instead of Cure 2? If an Astro tried using their best heals 5 times in a row they'd be starved for mana.

Continue to try to defend the fact that the one and only reason you 'like' the Astro change is because you want the Direct Damage buff it has. Nothing else. The Damage buff. A buff you can get with a food item that last 60 full minutes and persists beyond deaths.

3 GCD heals to charge a 900 potency attack. Those same three GCDs could be spent on Glare for a total of 900 potency, you then spend an extra GCD to cast Misery. So 900 potency out of 4 GCDs, or 1200 out of 4 Glares.

Astros best heals aren't on the GCD, why is it so hard for you to understand? There are very few, if any cases to ever warrant spamming Helios/Medica 4 or 5 times in succession that can't be handled with a single Earthly Star/Collective, even the Savage soft enrages don't need that amount of raw GCD healing.

Regarding Solace, that's basically Tetragrammaton on the GCD, not better than Essential Dignity at all, lol.