AST: Card rework alternative

[Capulse]

Goal: Cards will apply to a role, allowing everyone to benefit in a way
relevant to their role. Or, cards can be played to increase dps
but you wont progress seals.

Solar Seal
Spear Melee DPS 6% increase
Arrow Ranged DPS 6% increase

Celestial Seal
Bole Tank %damage taken reduced
Spire Tank Shield effect

Lunar Seal
Ewer Healer Mana 10% or refresh
Balance Healer %healing increase

OR 3%dmg to other classes and Seal Gained


Incorrect match allows seal progression but it would have given a
better damage output if used in the minor arcana

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Reduce cooldown of Divination will push more role based card play
(120s Cd)
4 Draws,4 Redraw gained, 0-1 Sleeve(1 Draw, 2 3s CD Draws)

[Rahspdoy]

The only problem with 'any' card system that has 1 or 2 cards that give a direct damage increase, is that those are the 'only' cards any of the 'meta players' will want. They will just go back to 'fishing for balance' again.

Your Bole, Spire, Ewer and Balance cards are good alternatives, but Anything resembeling 'balance' (such as your Spear/Arrow) will just bring us full circle to the 'fishing for balance' that's caused them to gut our card system in the first place

[Bedlaam]

The only problem with 'any' card system that has 1 or 2 cards that give a direct damage increase, is that those are the 'only' cards any of the 'meta players' will want. They will just go back to 'fishing for balance' again.

Your Bole, Spire, Ewer and Balance cards are good alternatives, but Anything resembeling 'balance' (such as your Spear/Arrow) will just bring us full circle to the 'fishing for balance' that's caused them to gut our card system in the first place

Wrong actually. Now that seals are in the game fishing for seals will always take priority for the aoe buff. So you are fishing for seals while simultaneously choosing carefully where your unique cards will go.

[Rahspdoy]

Wrong actually. Now that seals are in the game fishing for seals will always take priority for the aoe buff. So you are fishing for seals while simultaneously choosing carefully where your unique cards will go.

*Eddited*

Ok i miss-read that at first. What happens when i check the forums after just waking up

What i mean is that, if any single card has a direct-damage increase, The Meta players will STILL fish for that 1 card above all else in order to get 2 of their seals.

After that, thei'll just throw that first card that comes up with their 3rd seal on anyone so that they can then immediately cast their AOE buff which is the only thing they actually want.

It will be the same situation we are currently in, Just slightly different.

[Cyrocco]

Solar
Balance +10% Proc Chance on relevant abilities
Bole Reduce Damage Taken by 10%

Celestial
Arrow +10% Speed
Spear +10% Healing Potency on Target

Lunar
Ewer MP Refresh
Spire Increase Buffs on Target by 10% of their base power

[Greywolfamakir]

OP...no please, no.

We don't need more inconsistency on AST. New AST cards design is way better than HW/SB design, so please, don't break it.

[Rahspdoy]

OP...no please, no.

We don't need more inconsistency on AST. New AST cards design is way better than HW/SB design, so please, don't break it.

New card design is no 'design'

You can literally accomplish the exact same thing by simply giving us 2 skills and removing the entire flashy ui that is in place to make it 'seem' like the cards are still relevant.

1 for the +3% buff you can give anyone, and the +6% AOE buff you give everyone once every 3 minutes.

boom.. New astro. 2 whole skills to do decides healing.

or.. you could just replace the Astro with another WHM or a Scholar. And just make sure everyone in your group has a 99 stack of Braised Pipira's. Which is a food item that gives you essentially the same 1 single buff Astro's in 5.0 have.

That 'inconsistency' that you hate, is what alot of Astro players Liked. If you didnt want to play with 'fate', then play a WHM or a Scholar, dont force us to lose the 1 thing that set Astro apart from WHM just so your happy with a weaker WHM with a single buff they can hand out

[CorbinDallas]

New card design is no 'design'

You can literally accomplish the exact same thing by simply giving us 2 skills and removing the entire flashy ui that is in place to make it 'seem' like the cards are still relevant.

1 for the +3% buff you can give anyone, and the +6% AOE buff you give everyone once every 3 minutes.

boom.. New astro. 2 whole skills to do decides healing.

or.. you could just replace the Astro with another WHM or a Scholar. And just make sure everyone in your group has a 99 stack of Braised Pipira's. Which is a food item that gives you essentially the same 1 single buff Astro's in 5.0 have.

That 'inconsistency' that you hate, is what alot of Astro players Liked. If you didnt want to play with 'fate', then play a WHM or a Scholar, dont force us to lose the 1 thing that set Astro apart from WHM just so your happy with a weaker WHM with a single buff they can hand out

Cards aren't the only thing setting them apart from WHM, and to think so is foolish.

What sets it apart right now is the incredible off global toolkit combined with the 1.5s Malefic cast time, allowing it to heal and DPS within the same GCD with little to no drawbacks. The cards are just the icing on the cake at that point. If cards didn't exist AST would still outperform WHM thanks to the sheer versatility provided by their kit.

[Rahspdoy]

Cards aren't the only thing setting them apart from WHM, and to think so is foolish.

What sets it apart right now is the incredible off global toolkit combined with the 1.5s Malefic cast time, allowing it to heal and DPS within the same GCD with little to no drawbacks. The cards are just the icing on the cake at that point. If cards didn't exist AST would still outperform WHM thanks to the sheer versatility provided by their kit.

Without the cards, they are WHM's with just slightly different DPS skills. Which is essentially what they are in 5.0. A WHM with a food item they get to pass around every so many seconds depending on which face of the coin they now flip tells them to give it to.

The Card system is what set them apart from being just another WHM. Just as the Farie sets Scholars apart from the same.

[Nihility]

Cards aren't the only thing setting them apart from WHM, and to think so is foolish.

What sets it apart right now is the incredible off global toolkit combined with the 1.5s Malefic cast time, allowing it to heal and DPS within the same GCD with little to no drawbacks. The cards are just the icing on the cake at that point. If cards didn't exist AST would still outperform WHM thanks to the sheer versatility provided by their kit.

the global cooldown on malefic is the same as every skill. How do you know it has a shorter cast time and not know that?
WHM has pretty much everything AST has ogc in shadowbringers and then some and the lilies give them what is basically extra swiftcast+0MP versions of their spells every 30s on top of that

Cards is the only thing setting ast apart atm and they are the epitome of tedium in the currently proposed version