I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Awha]

Color me surprised (or not) that there are in fact people who will defend a player wearing the wrong gear for their job.

Personally still thrown back by how competence should not be expected, if content can be cleared then that is well enough. Or so that is how generally speaking it seems people within think.

[Kaethra]

Color me surprised (or not) that there are in fact people who will defend a player wearing the wrong gear for their job.

The worst part IMO, is they judge others who do decide they don't wish to group with those that do this. Their excuse is "well the content can be cleared fine with it." Sure.. it can. But the same content can be cleared by the healer and tank with the DPS standing at the entrance afk. But doubt they allow that. Even though every argument they make about the gear being 'fine' can also be made for afk dps that simply want the dungeon ran for them by an overtaxed healer and tank. But they think they can draw the line. They believe where they draw the line is the correct way to put it.

In reality the line is wherever the current majority of the group wants it to be. As it should be. They need to get off their high horse.

[Misao-Hana]

They are working on their next few classes (meaning they've leveled one at least already) and using the wrong gear on the current one. They're doing this to bypass the Item Level requirements. Its almost borderline exploitative. They know what they are doing. And they are doing it at the cost of a group having to pull them through it. So this isn't about them learning and improving. They've learned the system, they're gaming the system to help themselves at the cost of the group. That's not a nice thing to do. Joining a group under false pretenses is never a good thing.

Well, this is a argument that I can understand. To be honest, I wouldnt even notice such players - I would just assume they arent good at the rotation or something like that.
But to do it on purpose and being perfectly aware what they are doing - I get why they would get kicked.

[TaleraRistain]

I am blunt

aggressive and emotional responses

You seriously don't see the connection here? I'm a blunt person as well. We need to be even more careful with our phrasing because it's so incredibly easy to be harsh. Being blunt does not excuse rudeness or harshness.

[Kaethra]

Well, this is a argument that I can understand. To be honest, I wouldnt even notice such players - I would just assume they arent good at the rotation or something like that.
But to do it on purpose and being perfectly aware what they are doing - I get why they would get kicked.

As I said before, I don't check people's gear. So in reality I'm like you. I do have a friend who does check the party's gear and they get vocal in voice about it. I tell them to let it slide and they pretty much do. But who the hell am I to tell three people in a group that they should ignore it? My friend is one thing. Complete strangers having their own standards is another thing entirely. They ought to have their own choices to make. Whatever that is.

[SpiritMuse]

You seriously don't see the connection here? I'm a blunt person as well. We need to be even more careful with our phrasing because it's so incredibly easy to be harsh. Being blunt does not excuse rudeness or harshness.

This is what I'm thinking. When someone says they get bad responses almost all the time, that throws up a big red flag for me for their own behaviour. Tone is hard to convey in plain text, and things often come across as more harsh than intended. So "blunt" can quickly become "harsh", "rude" or "judgey" and, depending on the subject, "patronising" or "elitist". So you've got to take some extra care that you're actually coming across the way you intend to (which isn't the same as "sugarcoating").

[Ceridwenae]

Is there a way we can fix this?

Hi, Jack!

Short answer: no, we can't fix this. Only if and/or when SE enforce minimum ilevel and appropriate gear for the class/job when entering all duties, will this be a non-issue.

The only other thing you can do, if you feel the situation calls for it, is not to start off your question(s) to the offending player with "Why (is your gear crap/all wrong/stupidly low level)..?" If this is how you initiate conversation with the offending individual, know that it can immediately put them on the defensive, which could be part of the issue with the daft responses you've received. You noted your bluntness in other posts, so that's about the only thing you can constructively work on here: you.

How about, "*Player Name*, I was just checking your gear because your glamour is so cool, but then I saw *your item X/some of your gear*..."

a)"...is a bit low level to get the best out of your DPS/Heals/Tankiness"

b) "...isn't the gear recommended for getting the best out of your job."

"If you need tips for where to get better gear, just ask. Better gear makes for happier dungeon runs! "

- or a shorter version at your discretion. You could probably macro it to some extent if it keeps happening.

If you still get people being rude or ignoring you when you're trying to help, you can either suck it up for what it is and carry on, avoid using the duty finder and run with premades, or just do what you're doing already if the rest of your group agrees. Caveat reserved for those on Playstations with no keyboard. You could hazard a "/dance if you can't use chat, *player name*," and take it from there, but it's your call.


Whatever you do, I wish you the best with it. I've had to unsub unfortunately , and my access will go soon and I may not get back to the forums before to check on if you update and have success with the undergeared people.

Happy gaming all!

[Berret_Snow]

I'm in the opinion of play however you want BUT as soon as you're doing content with other people try playing the best you can because they are counting on you and it's not just you anymore.

Just bring it up nicely, people don't tend to react nicely if you're just blunt against them. "Hey I noticed that the gear you have isn't the best for your current class..." or something like that.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Idk. Seems a bit shallow to me. Not kick worthy imo

[Gula]

I wonder if the thread was made for validation or stool pelt tier discussion.