Needed RDM tweeks after Media Tour

[Valavaern]

After seeing all the info from the Media tour, there's a couple of changes that Red Mage NEEDED that haven't happened.

1) Vercure and Verraise need to be usable below level 50, ideally below level 30. SMN should not be better at RDM's main utility than RDM is. Easiest solution: Swap Vercure with Corp-a-corp, and swap Verraise with Displacement; that'll give you both abilities at comparable levels to when SMN gets physic and Resurrection. You don't need the ability to dash in and do a melee combo before you even have your melee combo to do.

2)Embolden needs to effect all damage, physical AND magic.


Other than those things, I'm happy with how the AoE is looking, I'm... okay with the new 'Engagement' ability. It's just those two things.

[Burningskull]

I'm not sure why they didn't remove Displacement and just straight up replace it with Engagement.

[Kabooa]

I'm not sure why they didn't remove Displacement and just straight up replace it with Engagement.

Because movement skills are more fun.

[BiffWellington]

I'm not sure why they didn't remove Displacement and just straight up replace it with Engagement.

Once I'm done with my enchanted melee combo, I don't want to hang around in the boss's melee range. I like being able to jump right back out and get an extra hit in while I'm at it.

[Nalien]

I'm not sure why they didn't remove Displacement and just straight up replace it with Engagement.

Displacement can stay, but the damage on it should have been moved elsewhere a long time ago. Engagement is a poor addition that only exists to try and "fix" the issue of certain maps making Displacement unusable. While most Jobs are getting new tiers of spells and skills with higher potency (Broil IIIs, High Jumps, etc.), we're getting a skill that ideally we should never use, since (at least in the media tour build) it's a downgrade on Displacement...

Honestly, Engagement is the thing I most want to see adjusted before 5.0, what I saw of it in the media tour build is unacceptable IMO.

[Kurando]

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1) Being able to navigate the battle with Corps and Displacement is more important than utility you don't always need. RDM's utility comes at later levels which is when it actually matters to have them.

2) On the fence about this, I mean I think it's fine generally (although it seems the duration was reduced for ShB), but it's still kinda adiquate plus Manafication got that Magic buff too so RDM is benefiting quite a bit.

[Burningskull]

I was just saying since the reason they added Engagement was because people were dying using Displacement that you don't really need 2 skills that do the same thing. Especially one at a lower potency. If they could shorten the range on Displacement you wouldn't need the skill Engagement but that might mean they would need to reanimate Displacement.

[Nalien]

RDM's utility comes at later levels which is when it actually matters to have them.

Basic utility should come as early as possible, IMHO.

Something like Reprise is clearly intended to be our version of Scathe, for example. Something you can use on the run when mechanics don't let you cast; That's as useful at Lv50 and it is at Lv76. The fact we don't have that sooner is a real shame, especially when you can see mechanics like Construct 8s as the clear inspiration for giving Red Mage such a skill, yet we still wont have it for that content...

[Valavaern]

Displacement can stay, but the damage on it should have been moved elsewhere a long time ago. Engagement is a poor addition that only exists to try and "fix" the issue of certain maps making Displacement unusable. While most Jobs are getting new tiers of spells and skills with higher potency (Broil IIIs, High Jumps, etc.), we're getting a skill that ideally we should never use, since (at least in the media tour build) it's a downgrade on Displacement...

In truth, I agree completely; When Stormblood came out, DRG and BRD had the damage taken OUT of their jump-back abilities, so they were purely for movement... at the same time they gave RDM a HUGE jump-back with damage. The ideal solution would be to move Displacement's damage over to Corp-a-corp, and have Displacement just be pure movement. That would solve the whole problem without needing a third ability like Engagement.

If they want to keep Displacement as it is, then Engagement should have the same potency; they it's reasonable choice of whether to re-position, or remain in the crowded melee space.

[Valavaern]

1) Being able to navigate the battle with Corps and Displacement is more important than utility you don't always need. RDM's utility comes at later levels which is when it actually matters to have them.

2) On the fence about this, I mean I think it's fine generally (although it seems the duration was reduced for ShB), but it's still kinda adiquate plus Manafication got that Magic buff too so RDM is benefiting quite a bit.

1) I completely disagree. Dual Cast allows for plenty of movement, and that utility is the CORE of what makes Red Mage a Red Mage.

2)Let's math it out: Trick attack is 10% for 10 seconds, multiplying that out gives us 100 percent-seconds to everyone every 60 seconds. Embolden is 10% dimishing every 4 seconds for a total length of 20 seconds, which gives us 120 percent-seconds for just the melee (and the RDM) every 120 seconds.

Embolden needs to affect all damage types, and realistically should have it's cooldown shortened to 60 or 90 seconds.