Thread: Happy Healer in 5.0 thread

Originally Posted by Vulcann

but that seems to be the crutch of the bitching? "you mean i'm gonna have to focus on healing because they took my dps tools away?"

You're missing the point a little bit. It's not that healers want to be DPS, it's that healers don't want to be bored.
The three healing jobs are very well kitted in heals and blurred in that respect. DPS is there to make their downtime more engaging. So your choices are doing nothing but heal when it's needed and get bored, fill your down time with DPS moves or overheal.

The issue isn't that DPS is desired, but that healers need to be more engaging. DPS is how they engage in their down time.

You said you're a Paladin, let's hypothetically say that just hitting the enemy is all you need to keep hate. You've had your kit reduced to 3 or 4 attack skills and your 'tanking' is focused on your shields and keeping your health from dropping too low. Your health is up and you're waiting for a cooldown because you've already shielded yourself, all you have is an AoE, a DoT and a single target attack to repeat, no DPS mechanics because you're a tank not a DPS. Then bring DRK and WAR to the same level of play but maybe slightly different flavours of it - keep some of the stuff they already have, but blur the lines in how they're used.

It'd be pretty boring as a tank, but you're doing your job as a tank, you've got hate and you're staying defended, so it's fine.

Plus Paladins used to complain about "1, 2, 3" tanking in 2.0, they made changes to the job to make it more interesting and engaging, but they could have easily said "you're a tank, you don't need to DPS or to heal".

I like your positivity. It is very nice.

I'm not happy with AST

I would be happy, but Ast is my main healer and their changes suck. The entire card system has been practically been removed and all cards are just balance. I do not like this, and cause of their changes I am not happy.

The other cards served their purpose one way or another, and if balance was such a issue the devs should have replaced it with something else.

Whm got lucky with these changes since lilies actully do something, but Sch had all their attacks basicly removed.

2 or the 3 healers have been slashed down to be basic healer, and their identities basicly gone. I think they messed up, and hope the Ast changes are reverted.....sadly that wont be until 6.0.

That's why I will not be healing this expansion...they screwed up on Ast.

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

First of, we lost half our kit in Stormblood, so all that talk about AST and SCH loosing so much while WHM didn't is a faux argument since WHM just, you know. Lost their stuff 2 years earlier. It also means that we didn't even HAVE anything you could strip of us anymore to begin with.

As irrational as it may be, I still feel the sting of losing role actions that were once WHM skills... We've lost so much, given so much to the other healers, and have gained nothing for it. I think Mel Gibson directed a movie about this... 2004? Starring Jim Caviezel? Yep, that'll be the one.

There's still time for some recovery on Astro, reverting back to the previous card system solves nothing, the previous card system was flawed. If you didn't get the balance or the spear.. you burned/royal roaded/ arcana'd the rest of them outside of very niche uses. Cards were not balanced at all, and skills like C.O. and Time Dialation made astro's buffs/regens completely broken. Their identities have not been removed either. Scholar's identity was never about it's DPS skills it's about being a pet healer which this expansion really focuses on that. Astro while yes cards are a part of their identity it's not all of their identity, they are the most adaptable healer in the game, as well as the healer that promotes the most preplanning with things like star and what not to make sure heals go out as well, plus it's one of the more mobile healers from what i recall. Granted I'm not a healer main but I do play the healers.

Off the cuff with fixing astro cards which could easily be done in the two months since the build we saw.. Is add additional traits to the cards... so let's just say you take 3 different buffs.. Crit rate, D.hit rate, and flat damage buff.. add one of these buffs to each of the cards in both ranges.. Melee and Ranged, however make it so the same buff between the two ranges are not in the same seal section.. So Melee.. Crit = Solar seal, D.hit = Lunar seal, Flat Damage = 3rd seal; Ranged.. Crit = 3rd seal, D.hit = Solar Seal, Flat DMG = Lunar seal.. that would make you think more critically about how you allocate your cards and what cards work best with what job.

It's very hard to say how healer jobs will feel like just by looking at skills, so I can't say yet that changes are good or bad. But the fact that healers damage output skills has been kept to minimum is a good sign. The last thing I want is healers becoming green dps.

Originally Posted by fumofu

It's very hard to say how healer jobs will feel like just by looking at skills

It...really isn't hard. Healers haven't been revamped. Their systems are largely the same (though massively stripped). If you play these classes, you intimately know how they currently feel to play. You will be able to extrapolate where skill removals will affect you and skill additions will slot in.

If you can't, you either don't play them much or you don't care that much. Which is fine. I pretty much exclusively play healer, so I couldn't tell you how BRD/MCH's changes will ultimately affect them. But my BRD/MCH main friend could tell me exactly how he sees things changing with those classes.

Originally Posted by PaulH

I can totally understand that and people will feel disheartened especially with previous encounters with changes. I am just trying to pin my hopes that DPS and Tanks will needs us more than ever and we will be very busy and if this isn't true then I am not sure what we would expect.

If the DPS levels are supposed the the same in SHB as-is with SB then all healer classes will potentially need a lot of rethink and I like to think this was thought about.

One of the gripes people have currently is that even ultimate encounter levels of healing would not be busy enough given the changes. And there’s no way we expect that level from shb. They made healing easier for people who may have struggled which is good but they also removed optimization opportunities for those ahi didn’t.