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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    That is what healers are already. Hence why people are upset dps rotations did not get any love in 5.0.... quite the opposite happened actually.
    so again you rolled a healer and expected to have amazing DPS?

    I mean i am a paladin and i have heal but that doesn't make me a healer. that would be like me going into the expac saying "man wtf Yoshi-P why didn't you give my heal any love! i wanna be a healer that can tank every once in a while"

    no if you want to play a DPS that has a heal play a redmage or summoner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    I mean i am a paladin and i have heal but that doesn't make me a healer.
    And all the rest of your actions are damage dealing.
    I mean,the main issue here is that we have *too* much heal already,and we are getting *even more*. Thats way too much already! Most healers who doesn't just sit here waiting for ages for damage to happen now have even less to do.
    Cards are all the same now. That's *even* less to do compared to what they already had to do,and AST just had a dot and a spell,reliably..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    so again you rolled a healer and expected to have amazing DPS?

    I mean i am a paladin and i have heal but that doesn't make me a healer. that would be like me going into the expac saying "man wtf Yoshi-P why didn't you give my heal any love! i wanna be a healer that can tank every once in a while"

    no if you want to play a DPS that has a heal play a redmage or summoner.
    The thing is that 90% of the time you spend is dpsing because the damage is extremely predictable and your ogcd heals are enough (and with shb changes we're getting close to overkill) so what we healers want is to make that 90% of the time engaging and have 1 dps button, 1 aoe and 1 dot in EVERY healer does not help at all, specially in some cases like sch that had twice that number of skills.

    We dont want to be DPS with shorter queues, we want to have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    so again you rolled a healer and expected to have amazing DPS?

    I mean i am a paladin and i have heal but that doesn't make me a healer. that would be like me going into the expac saying "man wtf Yoshi-P why didn't you give my heal any love! i wanna be a healer that can tank every once in a while"

    no if you want to play a DPS that has a heal play a redmage or summoner.
    You're missing the point. To date, healing requirements are so low that the majority of a healer's time is spent dpsing. Given this fact, a more interesting dps rotation would have been very welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    so again you rolled a healer and expected to have amazing DPS?

    I mean i am a paladin and i have heal but that doesn't make me a healer. that would be like me going into the expac saying "man wtf Yoshi-P why didn't you give my heal any love! i wanna be a healer that can tank every once in a while"

    no if you want to play a DPS that has a heal play a redmage or summoner.
    Imagine if all you had were Flash and defensive cooldowns. No attacks, no clemency, just a non-damaging ability and tools to mitigate damage. Let's take it a bit further and say Flash gave enough enmity that you could use it once a minute and be good. Would you be happy? Especially on fights that don't require running multiple cooldowns at all times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    so again you rolled a healer and expected to have amazing DPS?

    I mean i am a paladin and i have heal but that doesn't make me a healer. that would be like me going into the expac saying "man wtf Yoshi-P why didn't you give my heal any love! i wanna be a healer that can tank every once in a while"

    no if you want to play a DPS that has a heal play a redmage or summoner.
    Imagine if RDM achieved its damage by spamming 121212121212 and only occasionally weaved in a couple oGCDs. Congratulations. You now have what a standard healer rotation looks like. This is what healers are upset about. Unless content hits harder, they're already glorified DPS with boring DPS abilities. What we have seen thus far is more of the same... except even less DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Imagine if RDM achieved its damage by spamming 121212121212 and only occasionally weaved in a couple oGCDs. Congratulations. You now have what a standard healer rotation looks like. This is what healers are upset about. Unless content hits harder, they're already glorified DPS with boring DPS abilities. What we have seen thus far is more of the same... except even less DPS.
    But Red Mage is a job in the DPS role. It will obviously have a more robust DPS rotation.

    How does Red Mage's healing kit look?
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    As always the team in charge of AST skills and special effects did an amazing job, it just keeps getting flashier and flashier, I love it, can't wait.
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    Weren't the concerns usually right in the last expansions?

    Well let's be optimistic and hope that we don't have to wait 2 years again if there are issues this time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    so people want "healers" to be DPS characters that heal once in a while? is that what i am reading?
    That's a very twisted way to look at it. People want something to do because this game doesn't have a good history with keeping healers engaged with healing only.
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    Last edited by Alphras; 06-02-2019 at 07:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alphras View Post
    Weren't the concerns usually right in the last expansions?

    Well let's be optimistic and hope that we don't have to wait 2 years again if there are issues this time.



    That's a very twisted way to look at it. People want something to do because this game doesn't have a good history with keeping healers engaged with healing only.
    but that seems to be the crutch of the bitching? "you mean i'm gonna have to focus on healing because they took my dps tools away?"
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