Thread: Happy Healer in 5.0 thread

I think I will be ok with these changes and VERY excited :-) and as per expansion I see stuff and over analyse and speculate and this time the wave of fear isnt there. I always come back to they will make adjustments if necessary and it is a game I want to enjoy, when SCH is 4.0 was a bit meh i just tried other things e.g. AST.

I am hoping that there will be a lot more mechanics in keeping tanks up and that I could be stressed from using my healing kit than worrying about DPS.

I am in <3 with Scholar and have been since ARR Beta and whilst removed the merging of fairies is good. I think there is always a perception of losing skills and not being busy as I had a very busy class. As long as I am not standing there and bored out my skull is an ask.

I have always DPs'd when there is little healing to but i have always wanted to heal so any shift in DPS to healing is welcome as again I want to be busy with my class and happy with different shields and healing output.. YAY sacred soil regen!!!!.

That is always what I have have personally cared about just to be busy.

Agree with you 100%! Also been here since Arr closed beta and all I've wanted is more scholar identity and focus on healing. Sure I can do but I hate the dot stuff that's why I didn't go summoner.

I want to heal. And if this is a sign I'll be healing more and taxing my healing kit then I'm for it.

Given the fact that healers are already absolutely bloated with healing options, especially AoE, I really don’t understand how people can still get excited for even more healing on top? If overhealing the hell out of your party is your gig then more power to you, you’ll find the new additions amazing. I however would have loved to see less dumbing down and beating a dead healing horse and give healers some more variety and innovation, not homogenisation and repetitiveness.

Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Given the fact that healers are already absolutely bloated with healing options, especially AoE, I really don’t understand how people can still get excited for even more healing on top? If overhealing the hell out of your party is your gig then more power to you, you’ll find the new additions amazing. I however would have loved to see less dumbing down and beating a dead healing horse and give healers some more variety and innovation, not homogenisation and repetitiveness.

Why does the innovation have to be separate from healing? Why do you people always assume we over heal just because we say we like our role?

Is it wrong to be excited about more healing skills when what I want are more skills to heal with to add innovation and variety to the act and do so more often?

Do you know for a fact that the new build won't do that? It's pretty obvious the Dps with be more boring. 3 vs 7 is pretty blatant. But do you know how the healing will be?

Do you know the extra skills will be just bloat or if they'll help form a new identity for SCH that isn't "That one healer that thinks it's a dps"?

I don't. I know it has more skills though. The number went up. So I have more reason to be hopeful healing will be better than you do for being upset.

People need to face a very simple fact. If the healing is good, healers will stick around. If it sucks, we'll leave it. If the Dps sucks, Dps will leave. But they aren't necessarily the healers.

I'm a healer. I'm waiting for the healing. I'll complain if the healing is bad. But unlike dps, it's not something I can judge just on tooltips and the amount of buttons. All I see is Dps went down and healing went up in terms of numbers of skills. I'm ok with that. I'm encouraged by that.

I was never in it for the attacks. I like attacks. But if that what I was here for I'd play dps. The attacks are things I do when sadly I'm done healing. I don't want to be done. I don't know how best do do it. But when I join a party, I want to be healing. Or I want to be buffing. Or I want to be supporting in someway that is healer centric not dps centric. And anyone that looks at the role of healer, not just SCH, like a dps with enough utility to let it skip ahead in queue, I don't see as a healer.

Originally Posted by Ryoutoshi

Why does the innovation have to be separate from healing? Why do you people always assume we over heal just because we say we like our role?

Is it wrong to be excited about more healing skills when what I want are more skills to heal with to add innovation and variety to the act and do so more often?

Do you know for a fact that the new build won't do that? It's pretty obvious the Dps with be more boring. 3 vs 7 is pretty blatant. But do you know how the healing will be?

Do you know the extra skills will be just bloat or if they'll help form a new identity for SCH that isn't "That one healer that thinks it's a dps"?

I don't. I know it has more skills though. The number went up. So I have more reason to be hopeful healing will be better than you do for being upset.

People need to face a very simple fact. If the healing is good, healers will stick around. If it sucks, we'll leave it. If the Dps sucks, Dps will leave. But they aren't necessarily the healers.

I'm a healer. I'm waiting for the healing. I'll complain if the healing is bad. But unlike dps, it's not something I can judge just on tooltips and the amount of buttons. All I see is Dps went down and healing went up in terms of numbers of skills. I'm ok with that. I'm encouraged by that.

I was never in it for the attacks. I like attacks. But if that what I was here for I'd play dps. The attacks are things I do when sadly I'm done healing. I don't want to be done. I don't know how best do do it. But when I join a party, I want to be healing. Or I want to be buffing. Or I want to be supporting in someway that is healer centric not dps centric. And anyone that looks at the role of healer, not just SCH, like a dps with enough utility to let it skip ahead in queue, I don't see as a healer.

I think people assume you overheal because as the things goes now you spend more time dpsing than healing since your ogcds are mostly enough, with that in mind its not very logical to want dps to get more simple and boring unless you dont dps that much which usually means you overheal. There's also the case of people who want to heal more and its a respectable complain but thats more up to how the encounters and dungeons are designed than only your healing kit and honestly, in my opinion there's a lot of changes, specially in scholar's kit, that doesnt make any sense and damage the job flavour like eliminate energy drain or reducing the dots.

The healing doesn’t NEED to get better, that’s what I don’t understand about your argument. We can heal ultimate levels with the current kit, it doesn’t need another Plenary Indulgence clone for AST, a new Medica for WHM, it’s boring and unimaginative and you must have very low standards to be excited for that... We definitely can judge the job from the tooltips, at least anyone with any real experience with the role in question. If it looks and smells like a turd, it probably is a turd, I don’t need to pick it up to examine it or watch it fall from SE’s butt to confirm that, unlike you people who can’t seem to be able to perceive things without touching a mouse or controller with it for some reason. Healing is healing. Numbers are numbers. It’s not complicated to put 2 and 2 together and come to a conclusion that the new changes look garbage and unimaginative. If you’re encouraged by overhealing and even more boring downtime with our dps rotation being neutered, then you’re more easily pleased than most people, and while that’s not a bad thing by itself, that’s not exactly a compliment in the context of these job changes.

Originally Posted by Ryoutoshi

Why does the innovation have to be separate from healing?

Because literally none of the new healing skills have innovated at all.

It's just more of the exactly the same kind of heals.

Unless you count SCH copying SMN's Demi mechanic as "Innovative"

Originally Posted by Ryoutoshi

Why do you people always assume we over heal just because we say we like our role?

Because right now, healing takes up about 10-30% of a healers uptime. Not because they don't have enough healing skills, but because there's just not anything more to heal.

Being excited about receiving more healing skills on top of the already largely redundant healing skills that already exist (I.e. Cure I/II, Benefic I/II, Physick, WHM as a whole outside of progression raiding) suggests an affinity for overhealing, because unless damage is a whole lot higher and thus more taxing to heal, more skills will likely just get added to the pile of skills you rarely, if ever, use outside maybe PuG groups full of idiots.

Originally Posted by Ryoutoshi

Do you know for a fact that the new build won't do that? It's pretty obvious the Dps with be more boring. 3 vs 7 is pretty blatant. But do you know how the healing will be?

No. But nothing has suggested that healing will be more taxing. Nothing in the past 6 years of the game has suggested any sort of move towards more healing.

If anything, we have things that suggest that healing requirements are going to decrease, thanks to Tanks becoming tankier, due to the new trait that gives them ALL 20% damage reduction at all times as well as them ALL now having active mitigation skills (With PLD and DRK having their previous ones buffed)

Originally Posted by Ryoutoshi

Do you know the extra skills will be just bloat or if they'll help form a new identity for SCH that isn't "That one healer that thinks it's a dps"?

Given that the entire design of all Healers for the past 6 years has been "That one healer that thinks it's a dps" I'd probably bet on that it won't miraculously change.

The only major change is that the DPS skills you spend the majority of your time spamming are just less interesting.

Of course, this could always be proven wrong, we might get into ShB and damage could be ridiculously high, like Ultimate level high in Leveling Dungeons and so you'll have to be healing more than DPSing. But at the present moment, nothing suggests this to be the case.

Originally Posted by Ryoutoshi

But when I join a party, I want to be healing. Or I want to be buffing. Or I want to be supporting in someway that is healer centric not dps centric.

The issue is that this doesn't seem to have been a design shared by the Devs. Healers have been predominantly focused on DPS because of predictable damage and ridiculously strong oGCD's.

Now also with ShB, they seemingly want to gut every jobs support capacity so they can shove it all onto Dancer, so that's not even a role that Healers *Could* take if they were designed for it.

Its depressing and not what I'd call ideal, but it seems to be the case. Devs seem to design healers around spamming boring DPS rotations in between using oGCD's to negate predictable damage while fluff damage is easily nullified by the occasional HoT (Which often mostly overheals) and shield.

Nothing in their changes has suggested otherwise, from at least my point of view. If anything, they're going further into that direction by nerfing SCH and AST's support skills (Chain Strategem and Cards), by continually never giving WHM any support skills (Instead, just giving them more damage... Even their "New" mechanic is just more damage... IF they spend GCD's on heals to set it up...).

They just seem to also be doubling down on the "Healers have herp derp DPS rotations" by futher simplifying their already bottom rung complexity rotations into a simple 1 nuke and 1 DoT and 1 AoE spamfest.

Personally, I'd be happily suprised to find out that healing is more engaging in ShB (Though, at the same time, as a Tank main, it'd also suck to be even more reliant on Healers to actually do anything). But given everything I've seen so far, I'm not holding my breath.

I also looking forward to healing in 5.0. Can't wait to get my white mage wings