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  1. #1
    Player
    Deceptus's Avatar
    登録日
    2013/09/24
    Location
    The Goblet - 16th Ward, Plot 55
    投稿
    4,418
    Character
    Deceptus Keelon
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    賢者 Lv 90
    This "Numbers Patch" has made it glaringly obvious. . .

    Our numbers DON'T matter to the FFXIV devs.
    (12)
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  2. #2
    Player
    RinaShinomiya's Avatar
    登録日
    2019/08/08
    Location
    Gridania
    投稿
    308
    Character
    Catherine Shinomiya
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    賢者 Lv 90
    Quote 引用元:Deceptus 投稿を閲覧
    This "Numbers Patch" has made it glaringly obvious. . .

    Our numbers DON'T matter to the FFXIV devs.
    Honestly if neither of the 3 live letters that are apparently planned to release before 6.1 & 6.1 itself adresses any of the healer issues im just considering dropping the healer role alltogether. They way the act with healers is just embarassing and playing the role is just enabling them.

    On my DC Tanks are always more in need than Healers. Might as well earn some extra gil & materia while doing Roulette content.
    (13)
    2022/01/25 22:04; RinaShinomiya が最後に編集

  3. #3
    Player
    EaMett's Avatar
    登録日
    2016/12/13
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    1,430
    Character
    Ea Sin
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    学者 Lv 90
    I wish they would just acknowledge healer concerns. Honestly, I'll take even a "We hear you guys but the numbers on our end suggest current healer design is working great for the game so F your requests" at this point.

    The silence, however, is frustrating and disappointing. Feels like the entire role is a burden nobody cares to approach. And soon I too will stop approaching it.
    (12)
    2022/01/26 00:49; EaMett が最後に編集

  4. #4
    Player
    Iedarus's Avatar
    登録日
    2021/08/22
    投稿
    365
    Character
    Iedarus Meridus
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    学者 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:EaMett 投稿を閲覧
    The silence, however, is frustrating and disappointing. Feels like the entire role is a burden nobody cares to approach. And soon I too will stop approaching it.
    Same here. Sage to me, even without Chain Stratagem, literally feels like Scholar+. As it was already confirmed that we forum users are hardly even a sliver of the total population, maybe healing in this game is just not for us. It's especially devastating since I too love playing healers in any game.

    It is strange, though. I recently got back into Wizard101 and even as a Life wizard, I have significantly more to do when I'm not healing. A frigging kids game makes me think more than Final Fantasy XIV.
    (15)

  5. #5
    Player
    RinaShinomiya's Avatar
    登録日
    2019/08/08
    Location
    Gridania
    投稿
    308
    Character
    Catherine Shinomiya
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    賢者 Lv 90
    Quote 引用元:Iedarus 投稿を閲覧
    Same here. Sage to me, even without Chain Stratagem, literally feels like Scholar+. As it was already confirmed that we forum users are hardly even a sliver of the total population, maybe healing in this game is just not for us. It's especially devastating since I too love playing healers in any game.

    It is strange, though. I recently got back into Wizard101 and even as a Life wizard, I have significantly more to do when I'm not healing. A frigging kids game makes me think more than Final Fantasy XIV.
    It really isn't.
    I made the mistake replying under a r/FFXIV tweet what issues healers have and the general ideas I'm getting from people who disagree with those issues are either "I don't care, WHM is simple & fun go BRRRRRRRR" or "lack of understanding how DPS works. Toxicon is fine guys! It's stronger than Ruin 2!!!"

    At least my post isn't getting ratio'd but it just shows what the silent majority of healers are like. Healers will never leave this swamp of mediocrity because frankly people don't care and people who do care are being told to "go touch grass".
    (22)

  6. #6
    Player
    Jonathan_Clover's Avatar
    登録日
    2019/07/13
    Location
    Ishgard
    投稿
    60
    Character
    Jonathan Clover
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    賢者 Lv 90
    Quote 引用元:EaMett 投稿を閲覧

    The silence, however, is frustrating and disappointing. Feels like the entire role is a burden nobody cares to approach. And soon I too will stop approaching it.
    Honestly, that's me right now. I LOVE playing healers in games. It's what I've almost always done when I had the chance, be it in DnD, or other MMOs.

    But since healers in this game feel like booty to play, combined with the silence/lack of acknowledging anything, it's seriously making me not want to keep playing, let alone keep healing. :/
    (14)

  7. #7
    Player
    Risvertasashi's Avatar
    登録日
    2014/04/01
    投稿
    4,706
    Character
    Makani Risvertasashi
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    幻術士 Lv 50
    Quote 引用元:Jonathan_Clover 投稿を閲覧
    Honestly, that's me right now. I LOVE playing healers in games. It's what I've almost always done when I had the chance, be it in DnD, or other MMOs.

    But since healers in this game feel like booty to play, combined with the silence/lack of acknowledging anything, it's seriously making me not want to keep playing, let alone keep healing. :/
    Hey, exact same boat here but I went through it a bit earlier. I'll still play FF14 for the story, and playing a supporting DPS that can raise or otherwise do things outside of just DPSing is a bit fun, but at this point I've given up on getting my healing fix from FF14. I hope you find a path you enjoy.

    I hope someday another MMO will come along, of FF14's caliber but with better healing etc, but I'm also not blind to the harsh reality of the market conditions that make this exceptionally unlikely. Well, one can dream...
    (14)

  8. #8
    Player
    Ursa_Vonfiebryd's Avatar
    登録日
    2016/10/27
    Location
    Ul'dah
    投稿
    727
    Character
    Ursa Nightrain
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    吟遊詩人 Lv 100
    I don't healer main but I've been playing one since HW and what I have observed is this:

    ARR: Jobstone shenanigans to manipulate cross class skills. Healer main? HA! Not if you don't have a lvl 15 Thauamaturge (for Swiftcast)

    HW: Cross class skills were reworked a bit but hey, that new healer we came out with? Doesn't have Esuna. Better get that CNJ to 15. And if we see you using Selene (other than very specific instances), you will get heckled. Best times.

    SB: Cross class skills become role skills. Most for healer get stolen from WHM. They add instant heals to make up for it (to WHM), and a new nuke. Pet actions go away (because only 10% of hardcore mains used anything beyond Sic) and Selene losses the one thing that made her great (the instant multi esuna). Now you can use the fairy that matches your glam! Red mage becomes ad hoc third healer in clench situations.

    ShB: Support skills are abused (by idiots/Tanks) to the point that they are taken away and the roles are stripped down to their most basic functions. Still no new healer class. The community is traumatized by reddit talk to the point that new healers feel pressured to dps to the point that they let people die. Tanks start asking/pleading for healers to heal them (this is real and happens multiple times). Tanks are removed from god tier and more 'green healers' emerge to... Do mediocre dps I guess.

    EW: Shield/Mitigation Heals and HoT heals are now two distinct schools of healing. Bloat is reduced. SCH finally loses that last fig leaf that connected it to ACN. Other than Sage, nothing exciting happens. But healing is a lot easier (or not too different anyway). It's just...meh.

    And thus is the path of the healer. RDM is still 3rd healer and SMN is now a completely different animal. But I can't say the journey has been bad. Just interesting. Hopefully they'll add some flavor back someday.
    (0)

  9. #9
    Player
    Shurrikhan's Avatar
    登録日
    2011/09/14
    投稿
    12,784
    Character
    Tani Shirai
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    モンク Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Ursa_Vonfiebryd 投稿を閲覧
    I don't healer main but I've been playing one since HW and what I have observed is this:

    ARR: Jobstone shenanigans to manipulate cross class skills. Healer main? HA! Not if you don't have a lvl 15 Thauamaturge (for Swiftcast)

    HW: Cross class skills were reworked a bit but hey, that new healer we came out with? Doesn't have Esuna. Better get that CNJ to 15. And if we see you using Selene (other than very specific instances), you will get heckled. Best times.
    Why the misinformation? The "new healer [they] came out with," Astrologian, got its answer to Esuna, Exalted Detriment, before SCH could even get Leeches. (It also had its Heavy debuff to compare against Miasma/Miasma II and Stone, Stella, and pretty much other direct equivalent you could think of for capacities shared by SCH and WHM.)

    Selene also wasn't particularly "heckled". You were expected to use Whispering Dawn as necessary, as often as per 2 minutes, but Selene's haste wasn't scoffed at and the GCD each way was worth it at the time, especially among SpS-based BLMs. (50% uptime of 20% added Spell Speed was far from insignificant.)

    ShB: Support skills are abused (by idiots/Tanks) to the point that they are taken away and the roles are stripped down to their most basic functions.
    Utility reduction did not result from "abuse", let alone by tanks.

    RDM is still 3rd healer
    WAR can heal 2000 potency each across self and an ally in 4 GCDs (500 healing ppgcd), but RDM's 350 potency cure makes it the "3rd healer"? A gaggle of Dancers can still better replace a healer than an RDM in most 8-man content, and in the few exceptions, a Warrior still does better than the RDM.
    (23)

  10. #10
    Player
    Hawuhawuu's Avatar
    登録日
    2021/12/08
    投稿
    74
    Character
    Hawuhawuu Zhwan
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    忍者 Lv 90
    I would love to see more diversity between healers making them feel like unique jobs and not a shared job. For regen healers what if one focused on more gcd healing and buffed others to make up for the dps loss. The other had has strong regen and more ogcd based. The barrier healers should be skewed more. Keep sage the same but maybe change scholar through its summons. A dps/heal/barrier pet rotation into a buff summon. I enjoyed the original wow approach giving each faction a different play style based on unique faction healers. Paladins the best single target healers and buffed the groups base stats. Shamans were terrible at single target healing but amazing at aoe healing. They had the worst mana efficiency but greatly buffed the groups dps to end fights sooner.
    (3)

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