AF less than a few hours...

[Rokien]

Ok, first of all, I was talking about one set of AF maybe two.

Second, the first 4 pieces of gear are pretty easy to get, just travel to the "chest" and open it up.

Third, I never said the end fight was super easy, I just think in a weeks time most everyone will have all jobs with all af.

I'm sorry that I want stuff to last a month to get...

ALSO, yoshi said he doesn't care about new people(twisting his words around). He is mostly catering to the people with 50s, he has even said that.

I should mention the job quests were perfect for the job and learning abilities.
Not the obtaining AF part.

[Jinko]

Rokien you forget this is designed in conjunction with levelling, we are all lvl 50 so of course we are going to steam roll throught it.

For new players and 2.0 players the whole job quest line will be much slower paced.

[Rokien]

Rokien you forget this is designed in conjunction with levelling, we are all lvl 50 so of course we are going to steam roll throught it.

For new players and 2.0 players the whole job quest line will be much slower paced.

As I said, the quests were perfect for the job/abilities, not for the af(which is level 45-50) that's what I'm complaining about.

[Jinko]

As I said, the quests were perfect for the job/abilities, not for the af(which is level 45-50) that's what I'm complaining about.

Perhaps, but a lot of the AF in FF11 was soloable, maybe a bit more time sinky though, due to having to look for coffers and getting past the doors in Garliage. (I doubt anyone would care for those kind of roadblocks)

[Rokien]

Perhaps, but a lot of the AF in FF11 was soloable, maybe a bit more time sinky though, due to having to look for coffers and getting past the doors in Garliage. (I doubt anyone would care for those kind of roadblocks)

I didn't say anything about FFXI, nor would I want to get af that way in this game. I just want something that would take me a while(without a roadblock) to get a full set of af.

Because really it only takes 2 quests to get full af.

[Tsuga]

If you're complaining from the perspective of a Level 50, well that's the problem. Doing these quests at the levels that are suggested would be far more of a challenge. Hell, the level ~40 - ~50 quests that I did for white mage required me to form a near full to full party for each one. It took me around three to four hours last night to finish all of the quests (still have to turn in the last one for Benediction), and that was WITH LS help, and WITH teleporting, also WITH having been maxed out, so the first few quests were a cake walk.

Also getting the white mage boots was a bitch (damn treants).

[Rokien]

If you're complaining from the perspective of a Level 50, well that's the problem. Doing these quests at the levels that are suggested would be far more of a challenge. Hell, the level ~40 - ~50 quests that I did for white mage required me to form a near full to full party for each one. It took me around three to four hours last night to finish all of the quests (still have to turn in the last one for Benediction), and that was WITH LS help, and WITH teleporting, also WITH having been maxed out, so the first few quests were a cake walk.

Also getting the white mage boots was a bitch (damn treants).

You can't even wear af until you're 50 so ya, I will put it in perspective of a level 50.

Also in my OP i never said ANYTHING about the lower level quests, this is all about AF, maybe you guys need to stop jumping to conclusions.

[AdvancedWind]

As I said, the quests were perfect for the job/abilities, not for the af(which is level 45-50) that's what I'm complaining about.

Please enlighten us: How would you make said quests last "a month" without, as you yourself mentioned, arbitrary roadblocks? Sure, I do agree that they could at the very least place a NM near each chest or a puzzle or whatever, but it's either that or add yet another stronghold coffer dungeon primal spamming fest as the other high tier gear we have.

In fact, getting them is a bit more of a work than most quests we have but less work than, say, primal weapons. And that's because the AF armor is not the "true" endgame gear. Sure, there are some very good equipment in there, but most are comparable to single melded materia gear and weaker than Sentinel / Sorcerer / Sipahi gear.

I'd say the current AF quests (which do require either A LOT of travelling or quite a bit of anima) is a good middle ground investment considering their power. The final battle for every quest is also reasonably challenging, and then people can use them until they get good melds, dungeon or stronghold gear, that take longer to acquire.

[Tsuga]

You can't even wear af until you're 50 so ya, I will put it in perspective of a level 50.

Also in my OP i never said ANYTHING about the lower level quests, this is all about AF, maybe you guys need to stop jumping to conclusions.

You still need a full to near full party to get at least two of the pieces from the quest that I did, and they're accessible at 45, not mentioning the body piece which also required a full party. I should note that the AF quests were also pretty fun, imo. It did not feel like a time sink, and yet it took me a couple of hours to complete.

[elreed]

1 tank, 1 healer (two if you wanna be extra safe), 6-5 THMs.


Spam Fire combos like crazy. The fireflies MUST be dead in literally seconds everytime they spawn or you're gonna wipe because of their Ancient Magic spamfest. Also, people can do the battle not in BLM and still get credit for it.

So, the only trick is spam AoE spells asap, Barbatos itself is not a problem.

NO
ITENS
EVER

Thats what i didnt like, u can change class/job to do the fights... they should keep it only for that job it adds difficulty, i did the bard fight with the ixali and wolves as bard with 3 more bards, u had to make an strategy to be able to kill em, then i did the same fight with a few friends so they changed classes and the fight was really easy, dont dumb down those kind of fight.