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  1. #21
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    FallenWings's Avatar
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    Xyasreau Borlaaq
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 80
    I imagine it's the case of the WoL simply assigning the body of Fray to our darkside since it has probably weakened after revealing its true form in the 50 quest. The darkside had to take on the form of Fray in the earlier levels because it was not strong enough to take on it's own reflection of us until our feelings and disdain became even more intense.

    I'm disappointed as well that our Living Shadow just summons Fray when it should've summoned us but I just assumed of the above reasoning and more likely technical limitations.

    I'm frankly more astonished of the fandom and support of Fray. Clearly showing that people probably didn't really pay attention to the 30-50 story. But I guess that's unsurprising since we also seem to worship Haucherfant and Zenos for whatever reason.
    But perhaps it's more the fault of the devs for not keeping the story consistent and clear. /shrug
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  2. #22
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    Duskane's Avatar
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Ravana
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    Viper Lv 100
    there is absolutely nothing wrong with Fray being there it does not mess up the narrative of the job quest of Dark knight had.
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  3. #23
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    Aurelius2625's Avatar
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    President Obama
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Yo, if it would look like a darker, shadowy-er? version of ourselves in the lvl 80 or lvl 70 DRK gear, that'd be dope AF.
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  4. #24
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    Lugubrious Pan
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWings View Post
    I'm frankly more astonished of the fandom and support of Fray. Clearly showing that people probably didn't really pay attention to the 30-50 story.
    I was very disappointed to find out that the shadow ISN'T us. I thought it would be. People stand by the 70 quests and lore and that's fine. I'm not one to complain about how the story has gone. But I can say I vastly preferred how things were for us in the 30-50 line. It was nice to be so incredibly involved and have some introspection in our character even if it was about the darkness. That being said I was REALLY hoping the shadow we summon was actually us to really capitalise on that.

    But no it's Fray...
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  5. #25
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    Emilia Summers
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    Chocobo
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousPan View Post
    But no it's Fray...
    Err Fray is us, did you not read the story? The fray you saw dead at lvl 30 at ishgard has died long ago. The "Fray" we met after it was our inner darkness/shadow a side of us. Lore accuracy the "Fray" we summoned at lvl 80 is actually us it's just probably due to cost and time reason they had to put the generic "Fray" look.
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  6. #26
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    Big-Isaac's Avatar
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    J'enna Vale
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    Spriggan
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Meh, summoning Fray makes a lot of sense. That part is fine as is
    What's more disappointing is that this type skill could be the basis for an entire job, but instead it seems to be a glorified DoT that doesn't interact with your gameplay in any way
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  7. #27
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmacus View Post
    Err Fray is us, did you not read the story? The fray you saw dead at lvl 30 at ishgard has died long ago. The "Fray" we met after it was our inner darkness/shadow a side of us. Lore accuracy the "Fray" we summoned at lvl 80 is actually us it's just probably due to cost and time reason they had to put the generic "Fray" look.
    Considering it's Fray's appearance and the same greatsword that Sidurgu tossed to him during the 70 duty, it could easily just be given form based on how the WoL views their darkside, just like how Myst was a manifestation of fallen companions created in the image of Haurchefaunt and Ysayle.

    Regardless, Fray's probably one of the most iconic characters of the DRK's storyline despite being dead long before we encountered him. The simulacrum having his appearance makes sense in that regard.
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  8. #28
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    DarkMasamune's Avatar
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    Miss Eclipse
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    Alpha
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I think its great that its Fray. Its like he's been with us in the DRK crystal, after all this time.

    I know Fray is basically us since the real Fray died a long time ago before we actually do meet 'him', but it's a nice nod to, imo, one of the best job storyline in the game ♥
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  9. #29
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    Ultimatecalibur's Avatar
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    Kakita Ucalibur
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    Siren
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    Paladin Lv 86
    Considering the fact that there are now 4 classes of 4 different roles with "pets" and ShB has a lot of focus on pet abilities, I wonder if the long requested Egi glamour system is being expanded into a pet glamour system.

    Fray might just be the default appearance and in the future we may get the ability to replace him with a clone of ourselves and/or various dead npcs. Wouldn't it be even better to be able to summon simulacrum of Haurchefaunt, Yasyle, Edda and other Npcs?
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  10. #30
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    Kalise Relanah
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    I'm personally quite curious as to the whole "Summon Fray" thing.

    Like, the level 50 arc shows us that "Fray" is merely a mask to hide a reflection of our inner darkside, with the level 50 quest dropping this guise to show us the truth.

    Suggesting that really, our "Darkside" is actually a reflection of ourself.

    But then of course we get the level 70 arc which (Aside from being a load of baloney) again features "Fray" as an imitation of our Darkside. Though, I can only imagine that this was done to allow for the dialogue that "Fray" was having with our other simulacrum "Myste"

    Meaning that unless the new skill is going to be talking a bunch, really shouldn't it actually be a copy of our own appearance?

    Buut I guess that's asking too much for what amounts to basically Scourge 2.0... Meanwhile I was expecting something like Dancing Rune Weapon... (Alas, Ninja is the one who gets the ability that resembles that skill, since why create something like that for Dark Knight when you can instead give them Inner Release for their "Burst DPS" CD...)
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