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    Zwynfalk's Avatar
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    Zwynfalk Fhetnborgwyn
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    Please make Living Shadow copy the player character's model

    Why is every single character's "simulacrum of their darkside" a hyuran man? Especially if said character is a woman?

    I just don't understand this design decision. There's no way that copying the player's character is too resource intensive either given that Ninja gets a fully colored second character model for Bunshin.
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    isnt it messed up that goblet is a housing area and not a tiny goblin
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Viper Lv 100
    Considering lvl 70 story i think it makes perfect sense
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    Zwynfalk Fhetnborgwyn
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    Yeah, that was a bad choice too. But that was a story that I can ignore and fix in my own head. I can't just headcanon a new model into the game.
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    Keagian Lowell
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    They probably don't have the talent to create an AI that copies your appearance and would have to make a shadow figure for every possible model and armor in the game, though if they do decide to mirror image your character, they could probably just use your face and race model but keep them in the 60 DRK armor. The Nin's Bunshin is just a special effect rather then an actual AI which is why its able to use their character model.
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    Leo Lupinos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keagian View Post
    They probably don't have the talent to create an AI that copies your appearance and would have to make a shadow figure for every possible model and armor in the game, though if they do decide to mirror image your character, they could probably just use your face and race model but keep them in the 60 DRK armor. The Nin's Bunshin is just a special effect rather then an actual AI which is why its able to use their character model.
    Isn't the level 50 Job quest basically your DRK fighting a copy of your character? I don't see how they can't just do the same as a Copy that fights alongside you.
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    If time is going to go into fixing Living Shadow, it needs to go into reducing the animation lock that you waste both summoning it and waiting for it to actually start performing actions. It also sounds like this "big" 120 second cooldown ability only does 40% of the damage that you would have done using those abilities, despite performing AoE moves in single target. This is a whole new layer of clunk on a flaming mess.

    I'll leave you with this: even your shadow has a better Darkside aura than you.
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoLupinos View Post
    Isn't the level 50 Job quest basically your DRK fighting a copy of your character? I don't see how they can't just do the same as a Copy that fights alongside you.
    Esteem (who we fight in lv50 quest) is one of several physical manifestations the WoL projects from his/her guilt. In all honesty, we really don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes but that is for a thread focusing on DRK lore and how batschite they are. I bring it up solely because Living Shadow could validly take on many forms.

    In the case of the poster you quoted, having Living Shadow be a direct copy of you and your current gearset, I could point to the Lost City of Amdapore HM. The first boss in there creates copies of each party member. They don't do anything other than set out a large cone AoE, but from a coding perspective that really doesn't matter. This along with NIN's Bunshin goes to show it can be done if that's what the devs wanted.

    I simply think Fray was chosen due to being the common denominator in the lore, and to a lesser extent NIN's shadow clone.
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    Jubii Io
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    Theres no way they're gonna change it to do this before release is there?
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    Juyon Intoner
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    If time is going to go into fixing Living Shadow, it needs to go into reducing the animation lock that you waste both summoning it and waiting for it to actually start performing actions. It also sounds like this "big" 120 second cooldown ability only does 40% of the damage that you would have done using those abilities, despite performing AoE moves in single target. This is a whole new layer of clunk on a flaming mess.

    I'll leave you with this: even your shadow has a better Darkside aura than you.
    If Living Shadow attacked faster it would also have its timer reduced, its a 99% certainty that its current timer reflects when they wanted it to actually start its actions. Because like glamour players love their abilities to have STYLE. The same thing for MCH's Automation Queen.

    On Fray himself, one thing to remember is that they are not fully just your Esteem. They are a combination of certain parts of the WoL's emotions and the memories within the soul crystal, specifically its previous owner Fray Myste. Which is also why he takes on Fray's armored look compared to Myste who looks like a combination of Haurchefant and Ysayle. Its also much more shadowy looking compared to the solid form it takes on for 30-50 and the 70 quest so it even if it looked more like your own character it would probably still be pitch black and thus not as different looking compared to a normal character's model. Thus it is less work to have everyone share Fray's character model.
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    Rawon Special
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100
    i okay with using our model, since fray in our mind is basically us.

    but i like the shadowy solid black model, so just make the outline model same as us.
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