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  1. #1
    Player
    Shalan's Avatar
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    Eilonwy Ilyr
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    Ultros
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Sorry to butt in here -
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    This kind of fanatical attitude is becoming scarily prevalent, you only have to look at that awful debacle that happened on Twitch a day or two ago. Some of the clips leading up to that are just outright shameful.
    Can anyone fill me in on this? I don't really use Twitch or really follow any influencers so I'm a bit lost as to what happened that's bad. Just a link or brief explanation would be nice to help follow along.
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalan View Post
    Can anyone fill me in on this? I don't really use Twitch or really follow any influencers so I'm a bit lost as to what happened that's bad. Just a link or brief explanation would be nice to help follow along.
    TLDR: a tank took massive umbrage to a WHM DPSing a trash pull whilst streaming on Twitch to the point of various language proceeding to sitting there mid pull trying to vote kick them for cheating on stream. Further digging quickly showed that the guy had a pretty serious case of bad attitude towards healing in general. The popcorn only came in salted flavour that night.

    Probably the biggest take away from all if it is how he made no attempt to ask the WHM what they were doing to either ask them to to tone it down more to his liking or even get a feel for if they had a handle on it as things where (which looked to be the situation in the clips). I don't particularly blame him for ignoring the sea of trolls that came after him, but it seemed clear that he was happy to remain completely ignorant of any enlightenment about the situation.
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 06-26-2019 at 05:29 PM.
    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

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    Videra Svenay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    TLDR: a tank took massive umbrage to a WHM DPSing a trash pull whilst streaming on Twitch to the point of various language proceeding to sitting there mid pull trying to vote kick them for cheating on stream. Further digging quickly showed that the guy had a pretty serious case of bad attitude towards healing in general. The popcorn only came in salted flavour that night.

    Probably the biggest take away from all if it is how he made no attempt to ask the WHM what they were doing to either ask them to to tone it down more to his liking or even get a feel for if they had a handle on it as things where (which looked to be the situation in the clips). I don't particularly blame him for ignoring the sea of trolls that came after him, but it seemed clear that he was happy to remain completely ignorant of any enlightenment about the situation.
    A terrible tank took umbrage with a good healer. Woe is he. Let's not give that piece of shit any more recognition, hmm?
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    Gunther Frey
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Knoahl View Post
    That it is, and I think you have expanded many times why you feel that way, it's just a shame this person chooses to act like a goldfish in every thread he has been in.

    We should focus on being constructive, I really think consolidating the information we have gathered amongst our own findings at launch is the best way to go forward, then we can give proper elucidated feedback on how we can improve the healer feel and gameplay as the expansion progresses and hopefully lead up to a well made 4th healer. Better late than never, it's about time we got the actual opinions on healers out not the "iz oki plz wait until out" like we have like Stormbloods Lilies etc.
    Now that I've seen more of the posts. I think I have a better grasp of the situation. It's bad players misinterpreting the fact that good players being efficient with their gcds as "OMG I must dps as much as possible". What I was giving Sebazy a "goldfish" moment with was that the lack of context made it seem more like they where being arrogant. It sounds less so with the context and I'll apologize for that.

    As for me, I'm still gonna be optimistic. I like playing the healers boring rotation and all and I've no issues defending that. Are there things they could improve on? Sure. But until then I guess I'm gonna chill in my fishbowl and be positive about what I got and what I'm getting.
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    Teah Bloodwrath
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    Now that I've seen more of the posts. I think I have a better grasp of the situation. It's bad players misinterpreting the fact that good players being efficient with their gcds as "OMG I must dps as much as possible". What I was giving Sebazy a "goldfish" moment with was that the lack of context made it seem more like they where being arrogant. It sounds less so with the context and I'll apologize for that.

    As for me, I'm still gonna be optimistic. I like playing the healers boring rotation and all and I've no issues defending that. Are there things they could improve on? Sure. But until then I guess I'm gonna chill in my fishbowl and be positive about what I got and what I'm getting.
    Lmao sounds good, I'm sorry for being passive also, being optimistic is the best, I'm just bitter from all these expansions we have held out hope. The healers are far from unplayable, we just need to keep giving feedback where we can I guess.
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    2 days to go and I still don't what healer to start with...
    AST sounds like it could be the most fun of the 3 but WHM is always reliable and SCH gets you SMN to 80 as well.... the struggle is reeeeeaaaaaal
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    Ahri Eija
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    Moogle
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    I was main AST and now i will play Scholar ... what a retard change, AST have basicly just 1 damage card, so fun ... wow ... no new healer for those kind of stupid change. The 6 years of waiting are so Worth it !!
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    Ceasaria Pheonixia
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    Moogle
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahrijlaken View Post
    I was main AST and now i will play Scholar ... what a retard change, AST have basicly just 1 damage card, so fun ... wow ... no new healer for those kind of stupid change. The 6 years of waiting are so Worth it !!
    + in dungeons as AST it will become so uninteresting now until lvl 80 at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    All I want is one expansion where they reanalyze the jobs and make massive adjustments to unhomogenize them. This is Final Fantasy 14 not Club penguin I dont wish for jobs that only have 5 buttons going for them or play exactly the same as 2/3 other jobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura View Post
    This current card system needs to be unwritten, destroyed and never returned.

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    Rin'kalos Sundrin
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    Siren
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Well they'll have their data as a good chunk of their healer mains drop healing or the game entirely. They'll realize they messed up and hopefully scramble to correct themselves.

    It's not my job to play armchair dev, I'm not fixing the system they broke for them. They don't pay me for that.

    I've made very clear across multiple forums my displeasure and where it stems from. It's their job as a developer to design their systems. Building upon the old one would have been fine, even this new one would have been fine if it had maintained some of it's identity and diversity.

    They didn't, so I'm dissatisfied and I will voice my displeasure every chance I get to let them know they messed up and I'm not happy about it.

    They'll fix it and get my money or they won't, and they won't. I show my displeasure with my wallet because like you said, a company only understands numbers.
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