Thread: Healer boycott in 5.0

For me, what they did to Selene pretty much epitomises their attitude towards healers.

Selene had a problem. She wasn't used because she didn't match Eos. But they couldn't be bothered to fix Selene, so they made her a pretty aesthetic option for Eos.
They couldn't be bothered to balance the existing healers, so they gave them all the same abilities with different animations.
They couldn't be bothered to create a new healer, so they blamed it on balance and gave AST and BARD's skills to DNC.
Then they packaged it all up in a 'Healers need to heal' bow, as if we weren't all doing that already, and expected us to be pleased.

SCH is my favourite class. I've tried to pick up a few other DPS classes, but I love the complexity of micromanaging my skills, my pet, as well as dealing with the unique healing scenarios in each dungeon. Healer is the only class I've played where every dungeon has the potential to play differently, dependent on the types of people to heal and manage. It's exciting when things go wrong and I have to flex myself to get the party back on its feet. There's a rush to it. A sense of achievement. Because of that, I don't think I can boycott it. I need that thrill to enjoy the game.

But even so...I despise what they've done. It is lazy and uninspired and reflects developers who have run out of ideas for what to do. If this is their idea of the best fix for these issues, then god knows what will happen to the classes in the future. Maybe we'll get one big heal button to press when things go wrong. We can all jab it every now and then while we binge netflix.

I mean I whas healer main in sb and I can tell shh healing will suck just because there will be no individuality ever healer is now ast with Different Little core aspects and more Group utility some utility and no utility. And no one cares for dungeon if there are no healer when you can use the trust system to lvl but I’m pretty sure when all people do that it will crush the servers faster then you can think. The hardest problem will be finding good healer when the job has all the fun sucked out of it.

Like for example as sch what you have to do in Ucob is insane. Dot uptime, chain timed, sacred soil and shields at the right moment. Adlo spread at the right moment, fairy movement preparing for nail beam and juggling the dots and still attack effectively. With shb you will apply one dot then spam one button when there is nothing to heal, you don’t need to give a fart about ur fairy that she dies to anything and the new fairy cds are just the old abilities just way more shitty. Whm is still simple after these changes but still doesn’t get a single group utility expect dmg reduce that all tanks can do now. And the Moments were people think with astro about what Card use effectively is gone just the simple look meele or a random and that’s it, now if you get a card you need to think what do you want and what card to what job all gone.

The protect thing anyone could have saw coming. The live letters and more than a few interviews Yoshida himself said it was just a button for the sake of a button. Players just barely noticed it and so changing/removing it really doesnt make that great of a difference.

Optimizing heals to output the most dps. Solid choice and yes up until now (and even probably when expac drops) we have not had content that really pushes the healer threshold far towards the constantly needing to heal. As others have stated it’s a bit overtuned for the casual midcore base.

Dev team burn out. Maybe, but we are the ones who caused that. We have made so many demands of the dev team that they work even in their off hours to give us that if they are burned out who could blame them? Every expansion heck every patch some group goes into full meltdown mode. This expansion alone. Two races, basically 3 new jobs with the machinist rework that was desperately needed. Drastic changes to other classes, ninja, tanks overall, bard even got quite the mini rework, summoner (also deserved) pet redesign, on top of everything else an expansion has brought.

Plus blue mage in 4.5, and other side content. Headgear for viera and hrothgar. Mah jong both done during “down time” new data centers, world visit, new game +, end game crafter and gatherer content, trusts. This is a ton of work in two years. A ton of work we the community made demands for.

So dont blme the dev team for making mistakes when they worked god knows how hard to address every single request we make of them. Yes the healers are in trouble, yes for a lot of the hardcores this is a bitter pill to swallow. But sometimes in order to rebuild something you need to break it first. Days of this and only a handful of posts for actual feedback and ideas on quickfixes and a hundred posts about whining and complaining.

Why do I have a feeling we will see the OP healing on day 1

Originally Posted by Deceptus

When you put out a product people play for you should expect criticism for the parts they don't like about it. That criticism is vital in helping you refine your product and make it better.

Criticism is one thing. I could handle criticism. Which a few threads have actually been productive and given constructive criticism, and provided actual feedback. Not sat around throwing a fit at the level of my 4 year old when she doesn’t get her way.

Most of us are adults and are capable of calm rational thought and actual feedback. Yes this is a product, but consumers have to keep in mind that a product like this has to take chances and risks and sometimes thing dont go their way and take more time then it should. This dev team has gone out it’s way to fulfill nearly every request we have to sit here and bash then over and over is ridiculous and anyone who cant see that needs psychiatric care.

Originally Posted by Zolvolt

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One thing about whm/aero 3 I want to mention though: the game isn't only savage raids, having a aoe dot and aoe nuke (holy) could help to make aoe situations a bit more interesting for damage. Which is also why it's sad to see shadowflare and bane go away with SCH. Of course healers won't and shouldn't have dps rotations as complex as actual dps jobs, but having only one aoe button is kinda boring in aoe situations.

And as far as laying groundwork for future expansions that's all well and good but if a healer main doesn't like the changes, that's still two years of ShB before things might improve for them.

Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

One thing about whm/aero 3 I want to mention though: the game isn't only savage raids, having a aoe dot and aoe nuke (holy) could help to make aoe situations a bit more interesting for damage. Which is also why it's sad to see shadowflare and bane go away with SCH. Of course healers won't and shouldn't have dps rotations as complex as actual dps jobs, but having only one aoe button is kinda boring in aoe situations.

And as far as laying groundwork for future expansions that's all well and good but if a healer main doesn't like the changes, that's still two years of ShB before things might improve for them.

Gonna echo this. I appreciate they look at the future. They are one of the few games to claim to have a 10 year road map and likely reach the apex of it.

But they have to do what they did with Monk more. In Yoshi's own words, he said they looked at Monk and decided to instead look down the road at 6.0 Monk for 5.0 Monk additions, they decided to scrap that and look at 5.0 for 5.0 Monk changes.