Yoshi-P: Summoner & Scholar both tied to ACN to save devs time

[Len]

Yoshi P Interview w/ Larryzaur & Dungeon Preview | FFXIV Shadowbringers: @3:52

They tied Summoner & Scholar to Arcanist to save development time so they could release the two jobs at launch and wouldn't have to create two separate classes for each. I mean, we knew this..right? Still, a disappointment.

Three expansions on, and Summoner is finally just now starting to come into its own both thematically and gameplay-wise. As a SMN player, I'm thankful.

Summoner and Scholar drift further apart with each new expansion, but I still can't help wonder how much better the job experience would be for both if they had unique, tailored abilities from Lv.1 on.

Do you still support the separation of Scholar and Summoner from Arcanist?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Looks like it's going that way, all of schs abilities according to what I've seen are now under job abilities, with none under class.

[Selova]

Summoner and Scholar drift further apart with each new expansion, but I still can't help wonder how much better the job experience would be for both if they had unique, tailored abilities from Lv.1 on.

This is exactly what they are going for. There wasn't any reason for them to remove bane, energy drain, shadowflare and miasma from Scholars otherwise. None of those abilities really made sense to have on scholar. The only other option would have been for them to create a new base class that scholar would evolve from and not only that but develop new lore and quests from 1-80 just for scholar alone. From a development perspective it's obvious why they chose the former.

[Len]

This is exactly what they are going for. There wasn't any reason for them to remove bane, energy drain, shadowflare and miasma from Scholars otherwise. None of those abilities really made sense to have on scholar. The only other option would have been for them to create a new base class that scholar would evolve from and not only that but develop new lore and quests from 1-80 just for scholar alone. From a development perspective it's obvious why they chose the former.

So you're saying they WILL be separated, or that the developers will just keep them as they are and continue to build/modify them through traits?

[loreleidiangelo]

Looks like it's going that way, all of schs abilities according to what I've seen are now under job abilities, with none under class.

Tbh I wish SCH had kept the ACN junk and let SMN have new, SMN-themed abilities. DoTs definitely seem to fit the "tactician" gameplay style of SCH, whereas they basically have derp-all to do with SMN who are typically about big flashy summon explosions and burst damage. I can't believe it's been like 3 expansions and SMN are still casting crap like Bio/Miasma as their primary method of dealing damage. : puke :

[disturbedcobra]

Tbh I wish SCH had kept the ACN junk and let SMN have new, SMN-themed abilities. DoTs definitely seem to fit the "tactician" gameplay style of SCH, whereas they basically have derp-all to do with SMN who are typically about big flashy summon explosions and burst damage. I can't believe it's been like 3 expansions and SMN are still casting crap like Bio/Miasma as their primary method of dealing damage. : puke :

Yes, but now they made an emphasis on placing DoTs now on SMN as Ruin gets a boost of DPS if the target is inflicted with said DoTs. So if you want stronger Ruin spells, place DoTs. I'm enjoying the new changes personally as a SMN DPS-main and SCH Healer-main.

[loreleidiangelo]

Yes, but now they made an emphasis on placing DoTs now on SMN as Ruin gets a boost of DPS if the target is inflicted with said DoTs. So if you want stronger Ruin spells, place DoTs. I'm enjoying the new changes personally as a SMN DPS-main and SCH Healer-main.

Yes, and my point is that thematically, I don't want a SMN's "focus" to be on placing DoTs - I want it to be on summoning mythological creatures to do my damage for me. I'm cool having a handful of non-summon spells for filler, I'm less cool with Bio, Miasma, and Ruin being the main focus of this class with cool summoner gameplay every minute or so when you get Bahamut/Phoenix.

[Averax]

Yoshi P Interview w/ Larryzaur & Dungeon Preview | FFXIV Shadowbringers: @3:52

They tied Summoner & Scholar to Arcanist to save development time so they could release the two jobs at launch and wouldn't have to create two separate classes for each. I mean, we knew this..right? Still, a disappointment.

Three expansions on, and Summoner is finally just now starting to come into its own both thematically and gameplay-wise. As a SMN player, I'm thankful.

Summoner and Scholar drift further apart with each new expansion, but I still can't help wonder how much better the job experience would be for both if they had unique, tailored abilities from Lv.1 on.

Do you still support the separation of Scholar and Summoner from Arcanist?

I think this is about as far away as they can get from eachother now. They have pretty much no abilities in common other than Bio and Aetherflow stacks, but even those are functionally different now

I wouldn't separate them though, personally i like being able to level both simultaneously.

[loreleidiangelo]

I think this is about as far away as they can get from eachother now. They have pretty much no abilities in common other than Bio and Aetherflow stacks, but even those are functionally different now

I wouldn't separate them though, personally i like being able to level both simultaneously.

SCH gets a replace for Bio while leveling 70-80 I'm pretty sure. The only commonality they share is Aetherflow, which once again I'm fine leaving for say, just SMN (since aether summons primals and all that) and giving SCH another interesting gameplay mechanic.

[MaraD_]

I used to love the idea of SCH and SMN sharing ACN, but now I no longer think its better.

For myself, and my friends, who WANT to play SCH, and not SMN, being forced to play mini SMN with longer queues, to get to 30, before you can play it, wasnt a very enjoyable experience.
But if the game instead let you start as CNJ, get to 30, and then straight up unlock SCH at Lv30, on any job, would be better for those who wanted to main a healer from the start, but didnt want to be WHM.

This still removes the option that some people like having a job that levels up both a healer and DPS, w/o having to actually worry about the other, but personally feel the loss is ok. (Anyone who already has them leveled would keep them as they are anyways.)