WHM 5.0 Discussion

**Darkplanet** · 06-01-2019 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by DuskTS

I'm not feeling the new Plenary Indulgence. I might be misunderstanding how this ability works.
The current one is a good remote-activate heal OGCD with huge flexibility and proves itself extremely useful and efficient in high-end raid content.
Does anyone here consider this 200 potency boost to one of their aoe GCD (which sadly doesn't include the new Afflatus Rapture) as a better equivalent? The 10 second timer is short and rather inflexible. It's on a 60 second recast and is instant though which is nice.

Yea the PI changes sorta boogles my mind, I assumed they changed it to match one of the new Astro skills. But they spent all this time tweaking PI over 4.0-.5 with multiple changes to a place people are finally fairly happy with it to just change it again. I agree that PI was excellent for raid content for its utility.

I’m gonna just say keep PI exactly how it is now, and just add afflatus rapture to add confession stacks.

OR just add some raid utility to the confession stack by adding a raid buff to confession stacks like speed or Crit of something. So every 60 seconds you get 10 seconds of raid buff with healing buff. And maybe add a charge stack to PI so you can adjust when you use it for some added utility

**tinythinker** · 05-30-2019 11:07 AM

Initial impression:

WHM feels like the least disrupted of the healers. SCH seems like it's going to be more bland/boring regardless of damage output concerns, and AST is somewhere between the two in terms of discontinuity from 4.x to 5.x

Yet WHM mains tended to be more likely to looking for some disruption/larger changes, while SCH and AST mains seemed to want less.

So in the end, WHM is more WHM-ey, which is good or bad depending on how much you like it before.

**manamoppet** · 05-30-2019 11:13 AM

One of several things I reacted on was that I think Temperance should have worked with the newly introduced charge system and have 2 charges (and/or a bit smaller recast time) to get more utility to do damage reduction (not to necessarily get more heals, as we already have strong healing tools and get even stronger heals with the changes). Hope we get an icon in the party list or other clue indicating if the other party members is under effect and range of Temperance. Collective Unconscious and Sacred Soil is easy to see for others and run toward and keep within their range, knowing that as long as you're inside the bubble, the damage will be reduced. As far as I've seen, there's no obvious way to see that with Temperance?

PI as it is now in 4.5 is very nice (if they changed it to a dormant shield that could be triggered to activate that would be cool as well), and I think it's too bad they're changing it again. All ranged melee dps, and tanks, get party damage reduction, is that why WHM don't get more damage mitigation? But then what if a party have both SCH and AST too, that again would be more mitigation than if a WHM was filling the spot in the party?

**EvalcieChevallier** · 05-30-2019 11:34 AM

Since Glare is replacing Stone IV and Dia is replacing Aero III and we aren't losing assize or tetragrammaton...I'm not terrible worried?

**tinythinker** · 05-30-2019 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by EvalcieChevallier

Since Glare is replacing Stone IV and Dia is replacing Aero III and we aren't losing assize or tetragrammaton...I'm not terrible worried?

If you mained and were very satisfied with WHM in 4.x there isn't anything to worry about for 5.0. If you didn't (mained a different healer, or wanted something else/more for WHM), you might be upset

**EvalcieChevallier** · 05-30-2019 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by tinythinker

If you mained and were very satisfied with WHM in 4.x there isn't anything to worry about for 5.0. If you didn't (mained a different healer, or wanted something else/more for WHM), you might be upset

I main it, but i cant say im upset because I haven't played it?

**tinythinker** · 05-30-2019 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by EvalcieChevallier

I main it, but i cant say im upset because I haven't played it?

Not sure where you get that from the quote, but I will clarify in case my wording was poor:

If you really, really, liked WHM in 4.x and had no real wishlist for significant changes, then from what has been show so far, there is a really good chance you will like the preview of 5.0. Not a guarantee, but I mean it's the spirit of 4.x continued and expanded into 5.0 for WHMs.

If you did have a wishlist for a change of direction or new aspects added to WHM for 5.0, like added raid utility, there is a decent chance you will have some level of disappointment.

If you mained something else like a SCH or AST, there's a decent chance you might be upset based on the reaction erupting over the info drop.

These are just based on what I've observed from these forums, REDDIT, Twitter, etc., plus, well, the fact that WHM is not getting a huge overhaul, especially compared to SCH and AST.

**Josco** · 05-30-2019 12:33 PM

The simplest, most straightforward changes they could make would be the following two:

1) PoM is a party haste buff, damage buff, or some such thing OR Afflatus Misery applies a vuln up debuff
2) Both Afflatus heals are ogcd

That would be the simplest way to address our concerns. Would this make WHM insanely OP? It would not, given the insanity we've seen from SCH for an entire expansion. Fully twice the SCH parses were recorded on fflogs compared to WHM for this last tier. If you overpower WHM for a patch, fine...adjust it down next patch. What we do know beyond a shadow of a doubt is WHM is looking at the exact same issues this expansion as we've had through SB without an adjustment.

**HyperiusUltima** · 05-30-2019 01:37 PM

If they keep doing this after Expac hits and don’t give WHM what it NEEDS to be competitive, how about we delete WHM? Would it be that difficult if you only have two powerhouse Healers with incredible synergy between each other, just with one not bringing any cake?

This is a sad reality if the current state makes it into the expansion.

**gumas** · 05-30-2019 01:41 PM

^sadly it wont happen, some people actually happy with it

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