Please Implement Ultimate Weapons for the new jobs!

[SaberMaxwell]

Be able to roflstomp it unsynced soon enough.

I know some people think it wont be but it pretty much has to be in the interest of fairness.

One of the people that think it won't is Yoshi P.
"So in terms of Ultimate content, we don’t have any plans to make changes to it, so we don’t have plans to raise that minimum item level nor will we be removing that unsyncing. So the value of the titles or weapons associated with that will be maintained."
https://mogtalk.org/2019/05/29/media...s-to-ultimate/

You cant have one rule for some trophies and another for others that's just not fair.

PVP and Ultimate say hi. Unlike PVP, Ultimate can still be tackled after it's "Season" at least.

The thing is, when Ultimate was introduced it was introduced purely for the challenge. There's no progression associated with Ultimate whatsoever like there is with Savage, and unlike with Savage Coil where they didn't think about it, they made Ultimate already knowing Unsynch was a feature in the game, and with the specific design intention that Ultimate wouldn't be unsynchable.

To make it unsynchable goes against the content's whole purpose.

[Unyuho]

"So in terms of Ultimate content, we don’t have any plans to make changes to it, so we don’t have plans to raise that minimum item level nor will we be removing that unsyncing. So the value of the titles or weapons associated with that will be maintained."
https://mogtalk.org/2019/05/29/media...s-to-ultimate/

Very good.

[Dzian]

The thing is, when Ultimate was introduced it was introduced purely for the challenge. There's no progression associated with Ultimate whatsoever like there is with Savage, and unlike with Savage Coil where they didn't think about it, they made Ultimate already knowing Unsynch was a feature in the game, and with the specific design intention that Ultimate wouldn't be unsynchable.

To make it unsynchable goes against the content's whole purpose.

The thing is that same arguement can be made for savage raids and extreme primal. They exist solely as a challenge. There is no progression tied to any of them even savage. If I wanna go do alpha I don't have to work through delta and sigma first all I gotta do is clear story mode and go... That's why they are kept seperate from the story modes. Because they're meant to be challenges.

Even coil was designed to be a challenge that's why it wasnt a part of the msq.

And again with never more in 1.23 existed solely as a challenge and yet they still threw out the rewards like candy recently...

Edit:-
Don't get me wrong I'm not advocating the hand out policy. I'm all for the idea of if you want something in game get off ya but and go earn it. But they need to be consistent in there point of view.
If it's acceptable to say "go earn it" to someone who wants an ultimate weapon. Then it should be just acceptable to say "go earn it" to someone who wants ifrits pony instead of basically handing them with unsynced.

[CorbinDallas]

The thing is that same arguement can be made for savage raids and extreme primal. They exist solely as a challenge. There is no progression tied to any of them even savage. If I wanna go do alpha I don't have to work through delta and sigma first all I gotta do is clear story mode and go... That's why they are kept seperate from the story modes.

Even coil was designed to be a challenge that's why it wasnt a part of the msq.

And again with never more in 1.23 existed solely as a challenge and yet they still threw out the rewards like candy recently...

Savage offers higher item level equipment at the cost of higher difficulty, it wasn't made "purely for the challenge" otherwise it wouldn't reward anything and they wouldn't have designed it to be as easy as it is nowadays. Same goes for extreme trials.

So no, the same argument can't be made. The argument that can be made is that content which exists solely for the challenge, such as Ultimate, and formerly SCoB Savage, should remain so. If you want things to be in the "interest of fairness", as you put it, then you should do it the same as everyone else has, hence no unsyncing.

[SaberMaxwell]

The thing is that same arguement can be made for savage raids and extreme primal. They exist solely as a challenge. There is no progression tied to any of them even savage.

Your premise is flawed because you're fallaciously conflating progression of gear and tactics (which is what most people are referring to progression) and story progression. In the context of my post, I'm referring to raid progression, and there is definite progression of gear tied to Savage. Beating Savage gave you gear that was relevant for the tier, items to exchange to upgrade non-Savage gear, and furthered your progression to Best In Slot. Ultimate offers none of that: you get that tier's weapon with an extra materia slot.

Ultimate became the answer to the question "Why bother with Best in Slot?" It wouldn't be the answer to that question if it itself was a significant upgrade required for Best in Slot.

Because Savage is tied to progression, it is not there for the pure challenge anymore. Not in the way Ultimate is.

If I wanna go do alpha I don't have to work through delta and sigma first all I gotta do is clear story mode and go... That's why they are kept seperate from the story modes.

Even coil was designed to be a challenge that's why it wasnt a part of the msq.

Progression, used in the context of raiding, is progressing your gear to become stronger to take on greater challenges later. It has nothing to do with story mode.

And again with never more in 1.23 existed solely as a challenge and yet they still threw out the rewards like candy recently...

You can't do the original Nael fight anymore. You can still do UCoB and UWU.

[Coatl]

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Dzian does have a point though. Even with Yoshi-P's word, he sometimes conveniently backtracks from it. Despite there being a massive uproar when they allowed you to unsync second coil of bahamut savage back in heavensward, those who were affected were drowned out by the cheering crowd. Raiders were left disappointed, eyes a little bit more open than the day previous. Would I like you to be right? Yes, absolutely so. We should be striving to make challenging and memorable fights age like wine. But a lot of people share Dzian's doubt and cynicism towards the development team concerning the preservation of difficulty in legacy content.

[ForteNightshade]

Dzian does have a point though. Even with Yoshi-P's word, he sometimes conveniently backtracks from it. Despite there being a massive uproar when they allowed you to unsync second coil of bahamut savage, those who were affected were drowned out by the cheering crowd. Raiders were left disappointed, eyes a little bit more open than the day before. Would I like you to be right? Yes, absolutely so. We should be striving to make challenging and memorable fights age like wine. But a lot of people share Dzian's doubt and cynicism towards the development team concerning the preservation of difficulty in legacy content.

The difference remains Ultimate serves no other purpose except to cater towards the precise raid crowd you mention. It's intended to address the complaints of Savage's difficulty being watered down. Making it unsyncable defeats the entire purpose.

Yoshida isn't backtracking in this sense because Ultimate was never meant to be content for the majority. They have outright stated the clear rate is roughly what they expected, and they're happy with the results.

[Gwenorai]

I'm all for this. I have friends who now have spare tokens they can't even use now; they already have the rest of the weapons.

[Nezerius]

If the devs can find magic free time to make 500 hats fit on Lion-0 and Bugs Bunny cosplayers, they can take some of that magic free time to make FOUR weapon models. Bonus: You don't need to figure out how it will fit on a cat's head.

I'd rather they spend that actual free time to make more headgear fit on Hrothgar and Viera, because that's going to affect a far larger amount of players than the 1% that'll obtain those four weapon models.

I'm all for this. I have friends who now have spare tokens they can't even use now; they already have the rest of the weapons.

That just means that your friends are done with that content.

People having spare tokens is a pretty silly reason for them to add more weapons. If that were the case, I have these Ixion Horns/Proto Ultima Exoplating/Sassho-seki Fragments that could certainly use new things to spend them on!
Or hey, they could add Ultimate tokens to a housing furnishing recipe, like Behemoth Horns and Odin Mantles!

[AleXwern]

I will sit on 1 Ultima Token until the end of time if needed. I just want the weapons on all tanks.