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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalan View Post
    Insertcoins, why do you feel the need to non-stop talk about WHY they're changing the cards, when we're talking about not liking HOW they're changing the cards.
    We get it already, the battle system and class changes invalidates one card, and make the use of two more questionable. But that doesn't mean that making every. single. card. a crappy balance card is a good fix. That won't be fun to play, and it's certainly not engaging.

    That's the issue a lot of us are having here, and you keep talking past us and lecturing on how we should be content and put up with it because there was going to be some needed change. We get that already, please stop lecturing us on it. We just want some variety in the cards, not have every card be a balance card.
    Well it's more then just one card that will be deamed useless. Mana TP and defense to be clear. And cause the why is the main reason why it;s being changed. I never said you should be content... but simply saying - I don't like- doesn't help anyone understand nor solve the problem. That is why I'm mentioning it... and I can say the same to everyoen else. I get it.. you don't like the change, endless amounts of threads and whatnot even. But saying that doesn't get to the root of the issue and just causes more people to get defensive. All I'm trying to say is the change HAD to happen due to the changes in the background. Again I NEVER said it was a good change, but it was needed due to what they are taking away and changing with everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertcoins View Post
    Well it's more then just one card that will be deamed useless. Mana TP and defense to be clear. And cause the why is the main reason why it;s being changed. I never said you should be content... but simply saying - I don't like- doesn't help anyone understand nor solve the problem. That is why I'm mentioning it... and I can say the same to everyoen else. I get it.. you don't like the change, endless amounts of threads and whatnot even. But saying that doesn't get to the root of the issue and just causes more people to get defensive. All I'm trying to say is the change HAD to happen due to the changes in the background. Again I NEVER said it was a good change, but it was needed due to what they are taking away and changing with everything else.
    To be fair it's a moot point even if 100% of the community hated the healer changes. Trusts are a thing now. Just foist the unwanted role on an NPC.

    I feel better after that thought
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    Players complain about the game being too damage oriented
    Yoshi P's solution is to remove all AST cards except Balance
    lol?
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  4. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalan View Post
    Insertcoins, why do you feel the need to non-stop talk about WHY they're changing the cards, when we're talking about not liking HOW they're changing the cards.
    We get it already, the battle system and class changes invalidates one card, and make the use of two more questionable. But that doesn't mean that making every. single. card. a crappy balance card is a good fix. That won't be fun to play, and it's certainly not engaging.

    That's the issue a lot of us are having here, and you keep talking past us and lecturing on how we should be content and put up with it because there was going to be some needed change. We get that already, please stop lecturing us on it. We just want some variety in the cards, not have every card be a balance card.
    Every card is a crappy balance? The changes mean that, broadly, youll be having a net benefit, not a loss, particularly with some of the skills that are associated with it and how divination is supposed to work. Youll broadly have a better uptime with this setup than you would with how Balance/Spear/Arrow worked. Cause think about the changes - Everyone was pretty much drawing for Balance and if they couldnt, second/third best was Arrow and Spear. But balance was the card to get. It was that substantially good compared to all the other cards, and after that, only 3/8 of the cards were used consistently.

    This made the class inconsistent buff wise, and people really were complaining about the RNG factor. They fixed that - every card is a balance, with varying degrees of potency depending on how its applied. You have a 50% chance to get a good balance, and a 100% change to get any kind of balance. All your cards are, through comparison, balance now (which you point out). The card variety thing falls flat as a point because people keep saying "Oh I want a variety of cards" and then get mad and complain about how come getting balance is such RNG and how most of the cards are very situational/useless. What people are asking for (card variety) is not being reflected in their complaints up til now or how the playstyle of the class operated in practice. People werent clamouring for Ewers, Spires, and boles. They tossed/sacked those cards most of the time.

    So it comes off as a wierd issue to complain about - You want to have every card be as strong as balance (or at least equal to one another) but you want a variety of cards at the same time that are substantially different making them more situational and niche. These two things are fairly mutually exclusive particularly since the RNG nature of card draws means you cant reliably get certain cards for certain situations.
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    Last edited by Melichoir; 06-01-2019 at 06:45 AM.

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    Bright side balance was maintained, we are now at peace.

    Overall majority really only cared about balance, and as the person above mentioned you get balance for days.
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    Last edited by Awha; 06-01-2019 at 06:41 AM.

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    Alternatively they could instead make healers into DPS, tanks too. What if we just copied Guild Wars 2 and roles didn't really exist?

    It would make it easier for them to balance. Seeing as their answer this expansion seems to be simplification across the board.

    No one really needs more than 10 abilities anyway. Wouldn't want button bloat to become a problem.
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  7. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    Alternatively they could instead make healers into DPS, tanks too. What if we just copied Guild Wars 2 and roles didn't really exist?

    It would make it easier for them to balance. Seeing as their answer this expansion seems to be simplification across the board.
    They could...but pretty sure the game will lose a lot of appeal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    They could...but pretty sure the game will lose a lot of appeal.
    My fear is that this is where things end up. They have simplified things for 2 expansion in a row now. Where does it end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    My fear is that this is where things end up. They have simplified things for 2 expansion in a row now. Where does it end?
    If not done correctly, WoW.

    Some simplification/cut down on bloat is going to be expected. Dunno where to put the line though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    If not done correctly, WoW.

    Some simplification/cut down on bloat is going to be expected. Dunno where to put the line though.
    This I understand. I just feel that they've been cutting, more than they have been adding.
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