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  1. #1
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    ZoeZephyri's Avatar
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    Zoe Zephyri
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    Astrologian Lv 69

    Astrologian Cards Can't Be a Coin Flip: A petition

    http://chng.it/Tqkk2NSBVd

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...lip-A-petition

    Shadowbringers plans to strip all variety from Astrologian cards to the point it won't feel like you're even drawing from a deck anymore, but flipping a coin.


    Bole / Ewer / Spire: "Increases damage dealt by a party member or self by 6% if target is ranged DPS or 3% for all other class types"

    Balance / Arrow / Spear: "Increases damage dealt by a party member or self by 6% if target is melee DPS or 3% for all other classes



    Each set of 2 cards has a color that stacks on a new job gauge. Once you have 3 separate colors you can activate an ability on a 180 second cooldown that increases your group's damage in an aoe around you by 3-6%.

    The only time you think about which card to use, is once every 180 seconds, where your reward is to get an AoE Balance. Yes. Your reward for thinking about which cards to play is the same effect as the cards themselves.


    No longer will you have to decide to use a Ewer for mana regen or as a dps increase. No longer will you have to decide to use a Bole on the tank to give yourself more room to dps, or to burn it for a royal road effect for your dps classes. Should you use an Arrow to give your black mage cast speed? Or risk rerolling it into a spire for the chance to get a Balance? Doesn't matter.


    There's no reason to use spread, because, there's no effects to save. Every card can just be auto-used. I was excited to see redraw getting more power, but what is the point of buffing redraw when there's no longer a reason to use it?




    This is not Astrologian. Astrologian is a fate based fortune teller. The cards having varied effects and differing power levels is required for class identity. In the same way that Fate feeds you cards of different strengths, it's up to you as the interpreter to carve your own path through the hand you're dealt with Royal Road and Spread. Shadowbringers would remove the flavor from the class to the point of it being stripped of its key feature and not being Astrologian anymore.

    I feel cheated. It's like turning the Scholar fairy into a totem that has literally no spells, but increases healing done by a flat amount when it's active.



    Edit to address common concerns in the comments:

    A lot of people seem to think I'm complaining because Astro is getting 'nerfed'. Far from it. It could be half of the performance of SCH and WHM and I'd still play it. Yes, everyone fishes for AoE balance because it's the "Ace" of the deck. That doesn't mean we want to only have that card.


    Getting rid of the varied cards to be replaced by 6 types of the exact same effect is like removing our ability to see the future at all. There's no fortune to be telling when every card means the same thing. There's no room to be a Fortune Teller when we lose Spread and RR to the point we're unable to influence our Fate at all.


    This has nothing to do with class-balance or how Astro interacts with the other classes. A lot of people say it's to give Dancer room to be the buff class. That's fine, I don't care if we lose the utility. If SE wants to give us only DPS buffs, at least give us 6 flavors of different ways to boost DPS. Why do we lose Arrow and Spear if we're going this way?


    SE is telling Astrologians: You get what you get. You can't fight fate. There's only one path now, and we're not letting you interact with that path.


    http://chng.it/Tqkk2NSBVd
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    Last edited by ZoeZephyri; 05-31-2019 at 01:59 AM. Reason: links

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    Astrologian Lv 70
    you should bring this to Reddit to get more attention

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv

    It has almost 2k replies on the 5.0 healer changes.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...review_healer/
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    Last edited by xwr; 05-30-2019 at 11:58 AM.

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    When I first saw the card changes, at first I was excited but then I actually read the changes I was greatly disappointed to know that the cards lost their main purpose. I played through heavens Ward and storm blood as an AST because I love the concept of the AST now I don't even want to play it.
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    Thanks! I did post on Reddit, but it doesn't seem they care as much as the forums. I intend to post every day until SHB hoping for a change, but I need help from others to specifically bring attention to the ramifications of these changes to distance Astrologian from their class identity, moreso than the outburst over the healer changes in general.

    I was trying to not crosspost my reddit threads onto the forums, but if you'd like to help today's post get some attention, it's right here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ip_a_petition/
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    I feel bad for AST mains. It's a terrible change and it's not fun at all. Sorry.
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    Player DrWho2010's Avatar
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    lol the devs/community people do not use reddit to gauge official feedback. they may take it into consideration IF they look at it but definitely do not use Reddit to think you will get any traction with the devs.
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