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    Player Veis_Alveare's Avatar
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    Veis Alve'are
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    Quote Originally Posted by CienFleur View Post
    AST has The Cards - Buffs
    SCH has Shields & Debuff+Dots/Bane

    WHM Needs something to stand out... Am I Right on this? is this what ppl want from the WHM?

    How about 'Blessings From The Elementals' Debuffs or Buffs - WHM uses Earth, Water & Air... Maybe Lowering Enemies Elemental Resistances 'Magic Damage Debuff' for few secs or a 'Buff that Raises your Physical Defence or Magical Defence', something using those Three elements as Basis maybe?
    They're moving away from the elemental theme of WHM, that much is clear with Glare and Dia replacing Stone and Aero.

    I think people need to look at potencies of things and calm down. WHM has some more instants for moving and weaving, a big nuke and the strongest potencies on its dps abilities barring 10 potency SCH is ahead on its AoE... that doesn't stun.

    They aren't giving whm a direct rDPS buff but if the other healers have objectively weaker pDPS and their rDPS buffs are less impactful WHM is still capable of providing faster clear times which means better dps for the whole group.
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    Last edited by Veis_Alveare; 05-30-2019 at 08:31 AM.

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    Aurora Vlondett
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    They're moving away from the elemental theme of WHM, that much is clear with Glare and Dia replacing Stone and Aero.

    I think people need to look at potencies of things and calm down. WHM has some more instants for moving and weaving, a big nuke and the strongest potencies on its dps abilities barring 10 potency SCH is ahead on its AoE... that doesn't stun.

    They aren't giving whm a direct rDPS buff but if the other healers have objectively weaker pDPS and their rDPS buffs are less impactful WHM is still capable of providing faster clear times which means better dps for the whole group.
    Wasn't that the thought process behind where we are now? Wasn't it calculated that WHM wasn't even the best in pDPS? Do we know for sure if WHM is going to be the best in pDPS in an actual environment?
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    Wasn't that the thought process behind where we are now? Wasn't it calculated that WHM wasn't even the best in pDPS? Do we know for sure if WHM is going to be the best in pDPS in an actual environment?
    It looks to be about the same. So considering strictly pDPS only, the healers look to be very balanced.

    But it's worth noting Afflatus Misery is a DPS loss and will need to be avoided to reach WHM's pDPS potential. Unless SE increases the potency compared to the dev build, anyways.
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    Player Veis_Alveare's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    It looks to be about the same. So considering strictly pDPS only, the healers look to be very balanced.

    But it's worth noting Afflatus Misery is a DPS loss and will need to be avoided to reach WHM's pDPS potential. Unless SE increases the potency compared to the dev build, anyways.
    It's literally only a dps loss in a vacuum with no GCD healing. You wouldn't use it on a SSS/training dummy (well, you would on SSS at the very end) but no... this is something I keep seeing everywhere and it's so silly. In terms of easy content like dungeons it's AoE will also make it worth using.

    The catastrophizing needs to stop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    Wasn't that the thought process behind where we are now? Wasn't it calculated that WHM wasn't even the best in pDPS? Do we know for sure if WHM is going to be the best in pDPS in an actual environment?
    There's no way to know which healer will have the strongest dps because we don't know how much healing is going to be required in the upcoming raids or how the damage is going to go out. We don't know what dps jobs are going to be most desired so we don't know the impact of cards/chain. We don't even know final potencies for the abilities we do know.

    What I do see is a focus on giving SCH and to a lesser extent AST access to more direct healing which will mean they're more able to take some of that off of a WHM partner. With Glare currently being the strongest healer nuke WHM has GCD priority over its cohealer almost universally which means as long as it gets off the required abilities to generate it's blood Lily it likely won't have to do much more in the way of GCD heals unless the damage model is incredibly different. The best thing for the group would be to let the WHM nuke as much as possible.

    I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if WHM consistently outdpsed the other healers when we get our first raid.
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    Last edited by Veis_Alveare; 05-30-2019 at 03:19 PM.

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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    They're moving away from the elemental theme of WHM, that much is clear with Glare and Dia replacing Stone and Aero.

    I think people need to look at potencies of things and calm down. WHM has some more instants for moving and weaving, a big nuke and the strongest potencies on its dps abilities barring 10 potency SCH is ahead on its AoE... that doesn't stun.

    They aren't giving whm a direct rDPS buff but if the other healers have objectively weaker pDPS and their rDPS buffs are less impactful WHM is still capable of providing faster clear times which means better dps for the whole group.
    Also, elemental weaknesses never played any part in the battle system anyway (outside those useless materia we had in the beginning), since that would give some jobs an advantage or disadvantage over others.
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    Last edited by Yuyuka3; 05-30-2019 at 08:43 AM. Reason: Spelling.