Thread: Healers in 5.0

Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

Okay, again, this issue doesn't revolve solely around dungeons and raids. Healer mains usually like to progress through the story as, you know, a healer. While in the past it was never that exciting to level through the MSQ as a healer, it's worse now. We have one dot, one dps, and one aoe. That's all we get to play with when we're leveling up in the open world. That's all we get to use in FATEs, on Hunt mobs, solo instances.

The problem is not just how they play in dungeons.

Ok, Ill take two tacts to this:

First - even with MSQ content, you still dont know how thats gonna play out, particularly since they said theres gonna be role MSQ related stuff. Again, I think this is jumping the shark because you see your skills then assume "its gonna be boring." Until you have your hands on it, you really dont know, and I think people should be patient at the very least rather than working themselves up over it. Cause frankly, theyre not going to rebalance the classes this close to launch and theyre not on a mission to screw over healers by making their jobs so bloody boring no one will ever play one.

Second - Even if want to talk about skills, you play a healer. That means most of your kit is gonna revolve around healing. I play tanks generally, half my kits are mitigation based stuff. I dont sit here and think "HMM THIS BORING CAUSE AS A TANK I SHOULD HAVE MORE DPS IN MY KIT!" I know well enough that my kit is gonna have some things in it which dont play out to usefully in MSQ. Managing tank CDs on trash mobs during MSQ isnt exceptionally engaging. If you want a more expansive skill set for DPS during MSQ, then level as a DPS and dungeon grind as a healer. I mean if youre soloing fates, then yeah might be boring. If youre soloing hunts, might be boring. But you typically arent. In solo instances, you usually have NPC allies. So youre playing a class thats more restoration focused and complaining you dont get as large a damage kit as DPS focused jobs.

I mean apply your own logic to your choices: Why are you playing a healer if you dont like healing? It's not rocket science here. If you wanna do dps, cause you enjoying dpsing, playing a healer seems kinda not a brilliant decision when that kit is focused on mitigation/healing. Itd like me saying "You know, I enjoy threat management, mitigation, and being tanky. Imma go play a SMN!"

So I still dont see what the fuss is about in either case.

As I usually only play all 3 healers, my real complaint is that all AST cards are just balances.
I know cards like Bole, and Spire were widely considered trash most of the time, but damn.. SE didn't have to remove EVERY card effect but balance.

I feel like healers are going to be actually fun and rewarding to play. people sometimes just expect the worst regardless. Even when we get our hands on it and we love it, the internet will never admit it.

Honestly, I've been reading and writing depressing posts regarding healer loss-.. I mean "changes", and this coming from a guy who doesn't main a healer, but just likes to play SCH occasionally, it's just that bad.

I'm going to go to cry myself to sleep, and pray in vain that when I wake up, it'll no longer be first of April.

The only thing that I'm disappointing about is how they completely reworked AST. Removing Royal Road and Spread is mind boggling to me as I feel that's what gave AST it's own identity separate from WHM and SCH. I'm not on the "doom and gloom" train yet but those AST changes are really unappealing at the moment. WHM is kind of what I expected to happen and SCH got completely nuked in my opinion. Idk. We'll just have to wait and see.

I'm going to be honest... I was expecting them to mess it up. They have been trying to balance healers ever since they have introduced AST and it keeps getting worse, but holy moly... on paper this looks awful. And i don't even main a healer. When Stormblood rolled around and people were complaining about the lillies i was still like "eeh let's see how this works when it goes live" but this... even on paper this looks really really bad. even to a skeptic like myself.

I'm just going to hope the encounter design is going to change and there will be tons of damage coming from everywhere considering tanks can heal, phoenix can heal, dancers can heal RDM can heal and healers now are really focused on healing.

I will lose my doodoo if they ever release a dungeon that hits like a wet noodle on release in Shadowbringers (I'm look at you swallow's compass) when they have so many jobs that can heal now.

I'm switching to a SMN main. I can heal with phoenix ;-)

Rather annoyed by some of these changes. The lack of DPS complexity and the removal of Energy Drain especially. Boy oh boy am I looking forward to spamming two whole buttons for my rotation. I'm especially looking forward to having no stack dump for Aetherflow anymore which is just going to lead to more overhealing if speculation holds true. It's everything I dreamed of and more /s.

I just really, really want SE to finally admit they have no idea what to do with healers and actually hire some of the high end raiders to come and help them figure things out. At no point has /any/ healer I've met complained about their DPS rotation. In fact pretty much every healer I've met was wanting an /actual/ rotation to work with, because healing is so lack luster in this game due to the scripted nature of the fights and general low amount of damage going out. So far what we've gotten is three dumbed down classes, with SCH and AST getting the worst of it, and no actual concrete news as to whether or not damage in dungeons, raids, and more will be scaled to compensate for the amount of paste eating this implies most healers will be doing now.

I'll still stick with SCH for my run through the MSQ but if the content hasn't been changed to accommodate these changes I'm probably going to switch to DPS full time.

Originally Posted by Enla

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Nothing about any of the healers dps kit has ever been complex. Even with energy drain on scholar, your dps rotation isn't actually changing in raids. This has been pointed out already, but your dps rotation is still the same thing It's always been. Yeah Scholar lost their massive aoe damage in dungeons, anyone with any sense knew this day was coming. They've been trying to move scholar away from summoner for several years now. They honestly should have done this way sooner. It's literally been stated that there is going to be more damage going out in dungeons and raids making it so healers will actually have to spend more time on healing.