Thread: Healers in 5.0

Originally Posted by OcieKo

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Erm.. Not to be rude, but I think you misunderstood me. The changes make it so that you get, in a single cast of a crit Adloquium, a stronger crit shield on a single target (a buff for Adloquium), but in exchange you get a weaker shield when you deploy it (the Catalyze part can't be deployed). The assumption is that given a crit Adlo, it's weaker with the changes when you Deploy it specifically compared to its current iteration. Regardless, fishing for a crit Adloquium is pretty wasteful with how valueable your GCDs and resources are unless you're trying to survive an extremely specific mechanic that requires a spread Critlo to survive, haha.

Originally Posted by Lilseph

Erm.. Not to be rude, but I think you misunderstood me. The changes make it so that you get, in a single cast of a crit Adloquium, a stronger crit shield on a single target (a buff for Adloquium), but in exchange you get a weaker shield when you deploy it (the Catalyze part can't be deployed). The assumption is that given a crit Adlo, it's weaker with the changes when you Deploy it specifically compared to its current iteration. Regardless, fishing for a crit Adloquium is pretty wasteful with how valueable your GCDs and resources are unless you're trying to survive an extremely specific mechanic that requires a spread Critlo to survive, haha.

On the other hand, are you really going to use up deploy's CD on a random crit adloq, given that you pretty much want the target to take 0 damage between the casting of adloq and the use of deployment tactics. Calling it flat out "gone" like the poster I initially replied to mentioned is pretty much factually wrong, weaker yes, but reliability, speed, and cost skyrocketed.

Given say a 10k Base heal with a crit being 150% potency, right now its 10k heal + 10k galvanize shield normal cast 20k ehp total, 15k crit heal+ 30k galvanize shield 45k ehp total. Using the current tentative numbers now it'd be: 10k heal + 12.5k galvanize shield for a 22.5k ehp total, on crit 15k heal + 18.75k galvanize shield + 15k catalyze shield for a 48.75k ehp. Deloying onto an 8man group thats Current: 90k ehp base, 255k ehp crit and SHB Tentative of: 110k ehp base, 180k ehp crit for a net loss between old and new of 75k ehp.

Now don't get me wrong could they buff up the galvanize effect, sure, 150% at most sure, itd shrink the critlo difference between current and tentative SHB from 255k vs 180k to 255k vs 210k.
(10k and 150% crits being used simply because they are easy #s to work with, obviously in gameplay both will be higher)

Neither of those differences are enough to say it's worth more than the reliability gained. Tho all in all, reliability seems to be the Subtitle of the 5.0 Job Changes atm.

I have to be honest I am quite disappointed about AST card change. I am not those chasing every single drop of DPS speed run ppl, I do not fish for balance and always found a way to use all my card.
However, I am not giving up on AST in 5.0, it is always the lore and story got me into FF, I will just hope for some change in the future and utilise what we have now

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The only healer I play is White Mage, and I will continue to play that.

I play it quite a bit, and people didn't like it in SB.

Don't tell me you are trying to say that the whm damage rotation was complex before any changes. The entire fight I'm doing stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone - with a couple ocassional aeros inbetween.

as someone, who plays all healers about the same amount, whm has always been my easy/safe to go pick. which doesn‘t mean it was bad or boring to me.
but the general situation with scholar(simplified dps) and astro(card system changed) is a dealbreaker for me. whm on the other side looks interesting to me.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

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I never said it was "gone"; you're prolly thinking of someone else. Quite literally, I said that, in a Critlo scenario, deployment tactics is weaker (a "net loss"), but you get a stronger Adloquium to compensate (a "net gain"). That's literally it.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

Reading Helps.

I don't know if you even realise that I agree with your points. We are going to get a weaker critlo deploy but we get a really powerful buff to compliment Adloquium alongside its potency buffs to compensate. You'd probably benefit from reading as well, but eh, no point in sidetracking the thread on something this petty.

Is it bad that I'm optimistic and excited about these changes?
As a WHM main, the healers in 5.0 look similar enough to where I'm enthusiastic to try them out, but different enough that they look like good alternatives if I'm getting bored of WHM. I don't feel that way about our current healers.
That being said, I am sorry for those who feel gutted by these changes. Just because I like them doesn't necessarily mean they're good for everyone.