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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Thanks, I was wondering about that too and missed that detail earlier.

    We don't get to keep gaining oath gauge when spamming holy spirit too do we? Would be neat if we got a slow steady fill from auto attacks and a burst fill during requiscat phase. But maybe both is a bit much since the latter requirse shield oath now.
    holy spirit description don't mention you will get any gauge from it so i take it as a no, but the toolkits are uncomplete and can be change in the final version so idk.
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    Also seems like Convalescence was removed since Requiescat was buffed from 20% to 50%. Self-Clemency's will still be huge, but only during your Req-spam (self-preservation mode)
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    You do auto-attacks inbetween Holy Spirits, but Holy Spirits pause them. As long as you are in melee range you will be auto-attacking and accumulating some gauge, just less while casting things.

    Of course, they could alter that.
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    So folks coming up with theorycrafted rotations, but I've got a question...according to Gamerescape, Atonement is off the global...so why would you just go with 3 atonements at the end of a RA combo? Right now folks are theorizing that the combo would be Fast Blade>Riot Blade>Goring Blade into FB>RB>Royal Authority, followed by three Atonements and then Requiescat and our magic phase...

    But you could also just as easily go FB>RB>GB into FB>RB>RA>At>FB>At>RB>At>RA>At>FB>At>RB>At>GB>Magic Phase...Yeah, its probably not gonna line up quite as clean as the other, but we're talking six 550 potencies instead of just three, and then into resetting our DoT to move into Magic Phase...

    So, barring the Gamerescape stuff being wrong on its OGCD status (Which it very well might be, cause that above looks somewhat ridonkulous), could someone a little more versed on this explain why that's the setup instead of the other? Or tell me that someone else got their preview stuff wrong in regards to the OGCD status of Atonement? heh
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    Spells are instant-cast now during Requiescat so you'll be auto-attacking all the time while casting (and blocking attacks while casting, which we couldn't do before.)
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    True, the concept of not casting them will take some getting used to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arannon View Post
    So folks coming up with theorycrafted rotations, but I've got a question...according to Gamerescape, Atonement is off the global...so why would you just go with 3 atonements at the end of a RA combo? Right now folks are theorizing that the combo would be Fast Blade>Riot Blade>Goring Blade into FB>RB>Royal Authority, followed by three Atonements and then Requiescat and our magic phase...

    But you could also just as easily go FB>RB>GB into FB>RB>RA>At>FB>At>RB>At>RA>At>FB>At>RB>At>GB>Magic Phase...Yeah, its probably not gonna line up quite as clean as the other, but we're talking six 550 potencies instead of just three, and then into resetting our DoT to move into Magic Phase...

    So, barring the Gamerescape stuff being wrong on its OGCD status (Which it very well might be, cause that above looks somewhat ridonkulous), could someone a little more versed on this explain why that's the setup instead of the other? Or tell me that someone else got their preview stuff wrong in regards to the OGCD status of Atonement? heh
    You do normally want to weave the oGCDs in between GCDs, but I suppose if the potency is high enough then popping 3 oGCDs in a row might not be a loss?

    Edit: Atonement is on the GCD? 2.45 sec recast. It is in the "OGCD" box on GamerEscape but recast would indicate it's a GCD
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    Last edited by whiskeybravo; 05-30-2019 at 07:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    You do normally want to weave the oGCDs in between GCDs, but I suppose if the potency is high enough then popping 3 oGCDs in a row might not be a loss?
    I mean it would sync up to Goring Blade easier...but I suck at Math, so I'm kinda wondering if the loss of a few cleans ticks of Goring Blade would be worth the extra damage from an additional 3 Atonement...that is of course if it even IS an OGCD...
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    It looks like PLD is going to be doing the same exact thing as in SB... but will need more buttons to do it.
    Instead of GB>RA>RA>repeat, it's GB>RA>Ax3>repeat, which takes 1 extra keybind
    You still have your Req window, but you replace the last cast of HS with a stronger spell that takes an extra keybind

    This is a real bummer to me, because I found PLD to be a real bore when mained, and these ShB changes don't actually do anything to change that. I guess I'll have to settle on DRK or GBR
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    However, we will have 6ish less button bloat overall. I'm pretty happy I'll be able to fit everything onto 3 hotbars again (had to stretch 3 hotbars using 6 hotbars.)

    Removal of Savage Blade, Rage of Halone, Convalescence, Tempered Will, Bulwark, Shield Swipe, Awareness, Anticipation, Ultimatum, Shield Oath, Sword Oath, etc.
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