Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[Miskatonic]

Don’t do this to yourself lol I’m over here wishing I was a RDM main currently and wishing I wasn’t so invested into SMN as my class of choice. Our job is a disaster on release like it was last xpac. It isn’t just busy it’s a complete mess with nothing synergizing well...dots are all clunky as hell and don’t time well with anything, Bahamut has gotten worse cause he can’t be locked into place by ogcds.

You are constantly weaving the crap out of stuff Clipping into Ruin cast, I still don’t get why ruins potency is still crap, we are now the least mobile caster, which is wrong. BLM is currently outclassing us in every kind of way besides raise but guess who outclasses us there? RDM. so there is just very little gained for a lot given currently:/

To update, I gave up on SMN after getting it and RDM to 80. Now I'm getting all the other jobs up, sort of rudderlessly looking for a job that really speaks to me. Not sure yet what I'll eventually settle on, might wait until 5.05 to know for sure. I'm hoping they do something amazing with SMN

[Len]

I'm hoping they do something amazing with SMN

Get comfortable on Red Mage, because you're going to be waiting till 6.0 for the developers to possibly do something "amazing" with Summoner: a full rework.

They had the development cycle for Shadowbringers to take the feedback they received in Stormblood and apply it. During this time, the developers took a deep enough look at Summoner for a partial rework, and they still came up short. At this point, I really have zero faith in the developers regarding Summoner going forward.

[Nyoraii]

Get comfortable on Red Mage, because you're going to be waiting till 6.0 for the developers to possibly do something "amazing" with Summoner: a full rework.

They had the development cycle for Shadowbringers to take the feedback they received in Stormblood and apply it. During this time, the developers took a deep enough look at Summoner for a partial rework, and they still came up short. At this point, I really have zero faith in the developers regarding Summoner going forward.

I'm not touching SMN again until they change it. On the bright side, I'm having a blast with WAR which IMO is much better designed than current SMN.

Sometimes I think they're just trying to make SMNs start playing SCH to solve the lack of healers haha.

[Taranok]

Sometimes I think they're just trying to make SMNs start playing SCH to solve the lack of healers haha.

Maybe if the devs actually made it so all 3 healers healed people in fundamentally different ways, there wouldn't be this problem. But that's a can of worms, and an entire thread, unto itself.

I don't personally like the WAR change, but I basically got sick of WAR's base rotation in ARR and, well, its base rotation basically hasn't changed, at all, since then outside of berserk being 5 fell cleaves in a row and other rage related things. Also fracture no longer exists, but we don't talk about that.