Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[ErzaScarlet77]

give me back 4.x SMN

the new one is too much and we'll probably get out dpsed by blm that doesnt have to move anyway and their rotation is like 6 buttons

[Shurrikhan]

give me back 4.x SMN

the new one is too much and [we'll probably get out dpsed by blm that doesnt have to move anyway and their rotation is like 6 buttons

Isn't that kind of the point of a zero-utility / pure-DPS turret job?

[Taranok]

To be fair, Summoner is now one of the weakest support jobs in the game. a 3 minute cooldown for only 15 seconds of + damage both puts the devotion during Phoenix (and then during bahamut the next time around because why not) and it also just is way too low uptime.

It's effectively around 40-60% the power of Embolden just with the power to help healers and other casters instead of just physical.

And giving the advice to "just clip the GCD" is bad advice pretty much always. It's 200 potency+ per GCD to hit with ruin 2 (assuming ruination), and while that's technically a DPS loss, every single oGCD you clip into the GCD timer is costing you ~40 potency, and that number goes technically is worse if you do it when clipping outbursts (starting at 54 potency per GCD). The fact that it's even a problem is the bigger issue, since summoner as a caster is not designed around throwing around this many oGCDs even with ruin 2 factored in, the aoe rotation is flat out broken.