Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[Razard]

Most of the abilities you gain from 50 to 70 have nothing to do with Bahamut.

Lol

Are you serious? That’s like saying that most of Black Mages 50 to 70 abilities have nothing to do with Enochian.

[Jandor]

That’s like saying that most of Black Mages 50 to 70 abilities have nothing to do with Enochian.

How exactly is it like saying that? The two jobs have entirely different sets of abilities.

[Razard]

How exactly is it like saying that? The two jobs have entirely different sets of abilities.

Because, like Black Mages Enochian, the Bahamut skills are massively important to the overall play style of the job. Even though they have a majority of skills that "have nothing to do with Bahamut/Enochian". Double that for Summoner because getting Dreadwyrm Trance is a big part of the Job quest.

[Shurrikhan]

Lol

Are you serious? That’s like saying that most of Black Mages 50 to 70 abilities have nothing to do with Enochian.

To be strictly, technical, only one skill in 10 Actions/Traits actually produces Bahamut.
The rest had to do with a Trance-state. If you call Dreadwyrm Trance Bahamut, then most skills have to do with Bahamut.
If you instead call the borrowed Aether a basis in caster spells and phases that only tangentially have anything to do with Bahamut himself (i.e. unless you consider Deathflare as Ahk Morn despite not being spammable and the fishhead animation of DWT as the body of Bahamut), then most skills do not have to do with Bahamut.

That point of potential distinction does not exist with Enochian, which does not borrow its mechanic's name from some other creature or mechanic. It simply is.