Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[Kurando]

They could have not picked Phoenix

Then what would be the alternative? I know some people floated the idea of Alexander as a demi phase but as much as I would like it, I think devs are trying to keep mechanical-type pets to the MCH. Granted there are lots of other primals to pick from but least Phoenix was kinda new (only seen during the coils) and something we didn't expect SMN to get.

This. Or Everlasting Flight didn't need to be a heal, it could have been a damage field.

Damage field is pretty much what Devotion does.

[Jandor]

Then what would be the alternative? I know some people floated the idea of Alexander as a demi phase but as much as I would like it, I think devs are trying to keep mechanical-type pets to the MCH. Granted there are lots of other primals to pick from but least Phoenix was kinda new (only seen during the coils) and something we didn't expect SMN to get.

We have 3 existing primals people want upgrades to

I'd have gone 'primal-trance' route. Upgrades your egi to a demi version and lets you run around in circles spamming an upgraded primal themed version of ruin or outburst.

Your big 80 flashy cap skill could be something like merging dreadwyrm trance and summon Bahamut in the same sort of style. Maybe have him megaflare or something when he appears to differentiate him a bit more from level 70 Bahamut.

Energy drain looks to be on 30s now, so you'd have 30s windows during which you spend your stacks and summon a demi-something.
1 or 2 basic primal demis, followed by big old demi Bamahut, repeat.

[Razard]

We have 3 existing primals people want upgrades to

But not one of them has a connection to Bahamut like Phoenix does.

I'm not sure if you noticed but Summoners skill set has been rather Bahamut heavy.

[Jandor]

But not one of them has a connection to Bahamut like Phoenix does.

Don't really see why that's important.